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Except a movie is $20 and a CD is just as much (I think?). New games are $60. $60 from each of us Gearbox doesn't deserve and it's not a matter of forcing. It's manipulation they used to get people to buy the game.
Some blurays are upwards of 50 dollars here. I'm not pretending games are cheap; they're not, but like anything, you should be more thoughtful about what you spend money on, especially when it's something as subjective as a game.
Companies use manipulation all the time. Is it right? No. Does that mean it's their fault that you got up, went in to your game store and picked it up? No, it just means that you fell for it.
Yeah man, and if you go to a car dealership to buy a 6 cylinder toyota camry and you pay for a 6 cylinder toyota camry, it's your fault for not checking under the hood to make sure it's not a 4-cylinder camry before driving away from the dealership.
How dare you assume that just because the dealer outright stated that the car was a 6-cylinder, that would indicate that you're paying for a car with a 6-cylinder engine.
How dare you.
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Except they did check under the hood and found the car to be a 6 cylinder but when they went back into the building to sign the papers where they couldn't see the car, engineers came and took it out and made it a 4 cylinder.
I don't think anybody is saying Gearbox didn't mislead people.
People are saying (including I) that it's directly the consumers fault when you buy a game based on pre-release footage. Like I said before, the entire game is shit not just the graphics.
It's not the consumers fault because the footage was *not* advertised as "pre-game footage", hence my metaphor with the car.
The developer who was narrarating the game was outright stating things like "this dynamic lighting will be a core aspect of setting the atmosphere" and "we've created an adaptive AI who'll try to outflank you in the game". That there was zero amending statements or disclaimers stating that what we were seeing was in fact... fake gameplay that was literally constructed purely for that event, you aren't "being misleading", you're lying. Which is false advertisement.
Again, it would be like you coming in to my dealership looking to buy a car, I sell you a car that has a sign stating "6-cylinder inside" on it, only for you to get home and find out that the car is a 4-cylinder car. That is factually equivelent to what Gearbox did, and it's ludicrous to think that you the consumer should have popped open the hood of the car and confirmed that it's a 6-cylinder on the off-chance that hey I might be lying to your face. "Buyer beware" only goes so far.
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Sorry. Kinda thought you were arguing somewhere in there it was the consumer's fault but I get it now and I completely agree.
Then quit saying it's the consumer's fault. It'll only be the consumer's fault once they pre-order another Gearbox game after Colonial Marines and it's crap.
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It's the consumer's fault for buying it. You have free will.
You can blame Gearbox for making a shitty game. You can blame them for lying about it. You can't, however, blame them because you took your cash out of your wallet.
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You've got to be kidding me. Free will doesn't automatically grant you lie detection skills and if you bought Colonial Marines because you were lied to, then it's not the fault of you, the buyer, but the fault of the one who straight up fed you bullshit.
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Yes, Gearbox lied, but they didn't take your money from you. You wilfully spent it. Does that mean they're innocent? No, but that doesn't mean you automatically get a pass.
People buy stuff all of the time that turns out to be shit when it hasn't been marketed as such. Just because ACM is a little bit shitter than the average, doesn't give you some sort of pass.
Should people know better next time? Of course they should.
You still have to be accountable for the fact that you spent your own money on this game, though. Gearbox didn't steal it from you.
Yeah, you might say that you were duped in to buying it, but like I said, it's not like buying a car. It's a video game; they have no legal requirement to make it as good as they said they would in an earlier interview.
Unfinished games come out all of the time. Is it right? Of course not. That doesn't make it any less your fault for not checking out reviews or waiting a few days to see what the general reaction was.
Hell, after the insanely long development time, and what happened with Duke Nukem, how could you NOT approach this with a bit of wariness.
"Gearbox might have lied about the game, but it's your fault for buying it." Okay, using that logic, if you go to a pub and then walk home afterwards, it's partially your fault if you get mugged on the way home, 'cause after all, no one put a gun to your head and forced you to walk home at 3 in the morning.
Do you see the problem with that kind of logic?
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No, that car metaphor fails, as I mentioned before. You are directly using an example of false advertising there, which IS illegal, but that is not what happened here. Again, if Gearbox had literally been advertising the game at release as being x but actually being y, that would be something they are legally responsible for. It was not, at the point of sale, mis-represented in any way. The screenshots and video footage used to advertise the game at the point of sale was from the finished product. Because the earlier demos still existed on the website and the like, there was one legal area here where Sega had to add a disclaimer onto them saying they were earlier demo footage, but that's that (and, as mentioned, games being altered and cut back from earlier demo footage is not uncommon).
The actual car analogy here would be if the dealer said three months ago he was going to have a six-cylinder car, but as it turned out when it was finished it was only four cylinder, which the salesman at no point denies or falsely advertises once the car has actually arrived. The customer then buys it based on what the salesman said months ago, without checking what the car actually was. There is no sign up saying 'six cylinder', just a pre-release advert saying it would be like that. You might be annoyed with the salesman for the false hype, but there's a hefty responsibility upon the buyer there and no legal issue from the salesman. Games don't always look like their pre-release footage, and it is definitely the responsibility of the gamer to be aware of that. Gearbox are taking a huge reputation and financial hit for their cock-ups here, and that's as much justice as needed.
That last example you just did with the pub is so spurious and disconnected as to be nonsensical. Are you trying to imply it's the pub's fault you got mugged? Are you trying to draw a comparison between Gearbox and some muggers? It's entirely ridiculous. It's certainly nothing to do with anything PR suggested.
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