He can do anything Surfer can do whether he’s got Surfer’s mind or not, what don’t you getting about this…
I haven’t claimed that I could personally build billions of robots I only made a small fraction in fact(33 to be exact), the billions comes into play because each adaptoid possess the ability to create more just like I do.
Of course I have Mjolnir, it may be a slightly inferior copy but it DOES have Mjolnir’s basic properties. Hell Adaptoid’s had access those since before he’d actually adapted a physical copy(last panel tells the tale)… http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/...ers04510nc0.jpg
I’m sure he can given sufficient prep time to research(which he had when he made that gun), but where is it stated that he has a complete list of appropriate universes cataloged in his mind just in case he needs to build one again?
Hey I didn’t know that at the time, up till now Evangel’s been referring to it as a dome. But since all I have to do is teleport above your gun and enter your little energy nullification field before beginning my assault it doesn’t matter.
You have to remember that the scans of Surfer involving transmutation and reprogramming weren't to prove that he could do everything on his own. You see when Adaptoid copies someone he gains all their technological knowledge too... http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/...sv128912nj1.jpg
The Surfer scans were to show that he can create and manipulate complex things and reprogram computers, the technical knowledge necessary to create the complex adaptoid bodies and programming come from the Super Adaptoid, Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and the Fixer(whoes templates I accessed BEFORE the creation process began). Surfer provides the tools, the rest provide the know how.
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not voting yet, but I'm leaning heavily towards darthgoober. Digi's plan seems a bit simplistic (nothing wrong with that if effective) but also inflexible, whereas Goober's plan really allows him to react to many different situations imo.
The only way Digi's plan seems to work is if we are to believe the blast takes out Goober's entire army...but when there are 6 BILLION metahumans, the burden of proof on Digi is very high that the blast can get through that. Frankly, I don't see that blast taking out Goober's entire army, in which case according to Goober's calculation.
Since the amount of time necessary to create an adaptoid is what seems to be in question in everyone's mind, I figured I'd throw a few figures out there to help everyone decide how many there'll be when the match actually starts.
We already have the figures for how many there's going to be if the process takes one minute...
End of 1st minute= 2 Adaptoids(myself, and my creation)
2nd minute= 4 Adaptoids(me and my original creation, plus the adaptoids we both just made).
3rd= 8
4th= 16
5th= 32
6th= 64
7th= 128
8th= 256
9th= 512
10th= 1024
11th= 2048
12th= 4096
13th= 8,192
14th= 16,384
So if the process takes two minutes it'll be...
2 min mark- 2 adaptoids
4min- 4 adaptoids
6- 8 adaptoids
8- 16 adaptoids
10- 32 adaptoids
12- 64 adaptoids
14- 128 adaptoids
For three minutes it would be...
3 minute mark- 2 adaptoids
6- 4 adaptoids
9- 8 adaptoids
12- 16 adaptoids
15- 32 adaptoids
So in order for Digi's claim that I'd only have 4 or 5 adaptoids at the start of the fight, it would actually have to take me OVER 5 minutes to create a SINGLE adaptoid. Even if it took up to 5 minutes, 8 adaptoids is more than sufficient to take out Digi's team when we teleport above the gun and attack them as a group. ESPECIALLY since the Silver Adaptoid himself would be bringing the combined abilities of Surfer, Thor, Mar-Vell, and Captain America to the table.
but 8 adaptoids would be disintegrated by Digi's megablast. I thought you would win because I can see a couple million Captain America adaptoids forming an impenetrable wall that would take the brunt of the blast...leaving the remaining millions or billions of adaptoids to easily manhandle Digi's team.
Let's put the nail in the coffin kids. Wasn't sure if I would need to use this, but there's no sense in holding back, and I don't want to leave the match to chance since it's still close:
The only time SA was able to make duplicates was when he had copied Kubik, and possessed a shard of the Cosmic Cube. It was later removed by Kubik, and Goober's SA no longer has access to it.
Since we've never seen a base-level SA do anything of the sort regarding duplication, this is SA saying that he "desires" progeny....he's definitely not able to make them on his own.
Clearly it has no idea how to re-create itself, and the vaunted minds of various geniuses won't help this time...basically, it would be a miracle if he managed one duplicate in 15 minutes, let alone billions.
It's all a matter of how things pan out in prep. If I'm right and I end up with the 6 billion adaptoids then I'll have no problem absorbing the blast. In a worst case scenario where I only have 8 adaptoids, I won't try to absorb the blast, I'll teleport above the gun itself(between the start of the beam and the force field) and assault Digi's team directly since I've shown that both Surfer and Thor have the reflexes to react to the beam after it's fired. Either way, me and my guys will be fine.
Sorry but I'm afraid that's not the end of it. See as you can see in this scan... (please log in to view the image)
AIM has figured out how to make adaptoids despite having lost the Cosmic Cube so we know it's possible without one(since they didn't have one at the time).
That the Super Adaptoid was actually IN CHARGE of the base where they were making the new Adaptoids, so it's a fairly safe to say that he knows how to build one without having a cosmic cube handy.
What's more, as I've already explained I don't NEED even a single extra adaptoid to take your team out. With the powers of the Silver Surfer, Thor, Mar-Vell, and Captian America at my beck and call it'll be childs play for the Silver Adaptoid to kill your team with ease. Cap's shield backed by the strength of Thor is more than sufficient to decapitate anyone on your team, and since I'd be either as fast as Thor(the fastest person on your team), Captain America, and Mar-Vell put together or the Silver Surfer(whichever would be faster) you're team will be dead before they even know what's happening. All I have to do is teleport above your gun and speedblitz the shit out of you.
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One question: is the SA versions of those characters as powerful as the originals or are they inferior versions
Also, Digi's blast is wide radius, I'm still not sure how a 8 man team can survive that...I know you said they teleport between the gun and digi's forcefield, but doesnt that mean they still get hit?
That first scan just shows 2 of them, we don't know how they were made. It could be that they were both made by someone/something else.
It also gives no idea of a timeframe. And the second scan actually HELPS my point, because they need an entire facility to manufacture the things. This replication process is FAR harder than you're making it out to be.
And it is still contradicted by my scan, which shows that he didn't have that knowledge sans cosmic cube.
No, if this plan wasn't boned to hell before, it is now. But even besides this are all the problems I've been mentioning all match.
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And of course you don't think you need all of that to beat me. You know that most judges won't buy it, but have to try to salvage a win from about 1 billionth of the force you planned on having. Nice try, but it doesn't work.
Super Adaptoid has a little trouble with super complex items like the Quantum Bands or Thor's hammer and can only make slightly inferior copies of those types of items, but as far as actual powers he copies them at the same level as their original users. The same thing holds true for less powerful items like the Nega Bands and Cap's shield, he can create fully functional replica's no problem.
And I won't be teleporting between Digi's forcefield and the gun, I'll be teleporting above the gun between the "start" of the beam and the dome surrounding the battlefield. In order for me to get hit with the blast, the gun would actually have to fire in a 360 radius around itself.
There were thousands made Digi, THOUSANDS. I could go get some scans to support that statement but unfortunately there's not enough time left in the match. But the whole story takes place in the Taking AIM story arc and the adaptoids are shown in Captian America 441 if anyone doubts my word on the number being produced.
As for a factory being necessary, of course they needed one because they were human. Humans NEED things like factories because they don't have the ability to transmute matter the way Surfer does.
Fact- It's possible to create and adaptoid without a cosmic cube(and I give my word that there were no cosmic cubes being used or featured in that story).
Fact. Super Adaptoid was in charge of the Adaptoid creation operation, so it's foolish to think he doesn't know how to make one.
Fact. Surfer's transmutation powers can make pretty much anything, ESPECIALLY if he has detailed knowledge on how it works.
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