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exanda kane
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That's a quicker and better solution.


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Let's have a drink then.


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Originally posted by Ushgarak
Their wants and goals are to serve; why would they be beyond that?

And the events of ROTS prove they do not have a moral sense; the only thing that counts for them is obeying orders. I'm not interpreting or extrapolating; it is flat out on screen.

As said- you are wanting them to be more than they are.


When was that ever specifically stated or shown? Please, lets stop making up sh!t and start actually observing whats going on. You are basing your arguments on I N T E R P R E T A T I O N. You are:

1. Focusing on ONE specific instance.

2. Extrapolating what YOU want to see from that instance.

3. Ignoring other instances that might countradict your vapid claims.

What a great approach. No wonder you can't make points.

and "why would they be beyond that?" Please. Stop insulting yourself.


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I think the Kaminoans in AOTC were pretty clear about the clones.


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Well, I think the Kaminons seem pretty self important. They'd be like Ush. The clones are their little science project, they certianly would think of them highly. Wouldn't they oversell thier product?


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It all boils down to this: you credit them with characteristics no canon source confirms. So who cares if they oversell, you still want them to be more than the canon or its maker allows them to be. It's your good right, but it belongs in the EU.


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AS you so often damn well remind us, this IS an EU forum. So, even if you think my opinon is EU, its perfectable acceptable here. I do not think my opionion is EU, but if you're maintinaing that position, you should begin to act accordingly.

I have a brain. I can think beyond what is presented. Myabe you have problems doing this, but since all you're doing is the exact same thing I am, I see no reason to entertain your ideas.


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chik4lit
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There really is no movie evidence either way on this topic, so we have to turn to the EU.

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No we don't. If there is a grey area in SW, this forum is it... for now. It's unclear whether the series is EU or not. But so far we have no reason to believe the clones are represented differently that in the canon movies.

And thinking beyond what is represented is fine, but I do think you have to use the represented materials as foundations for that. Not to imagine something taht totally contradicts the presented material. That's not thinking beyond, that's wanting things to be different.


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This is an EU forum. It's allready been stated that there are 2 classifications the movies and the EU. This isn't movies (It's a few episodes shown in a theater, and then a TV series) so therefore it must be EU, unless GL wants to be even more of a fool and creates a third classification.

besides, I'm sure this series will show clones acting on their own, but then all the movie purists in the world will start crying "Oh, but that's EU!" and nothing will ever change.


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Well, there LFL of course. There are rumours from both the game makers of Force Unleashed and people who make the animated series that both SW spin offs are supposed to be canon. No official word from LFL, but if that's the case, it's canon. If not it's EU.


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no There is canon EU.


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But in ROTS, aren't Cody and Obi-Wan joking with each other?

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Originally posted by Kapton JAC
no There is canon EU.


That like saying there's dry water.


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It's true. Lucas wrote the stories for, executive produced, and directed pick-ups and re-shoots for, both of the Ewok films from the mid-eighties: Caravan of Courage and The Battle for Endor. Lucas has worked closely with the creators of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars TV series, and has rewrote several of the stories. Lucas also gave Genndy Tartakovsky information on specific events during the Clone Wars, which Genndy then used in part of the series. The character of Darth Bane is an original creation of Lucas'.

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But in ROTS, aren't Cody and Obi-Wan joking with each other?


That is true. While he was still on the ship.


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And before Order 66.


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... hmm... He has a point...

Personally, I believe that the clones can think on their own, but the way they are made makes them follow orders from their superiors explicitly. That's what makes them superior to droids, they can think on their feet, but when it comes to following orders, they have little to no free will.

They have wants and goals like everyone, but their military life comes first and foremost, nothing else is as important as that.


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Kapton JAC pretty much sums it up, in my opinion.

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Same here.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by chik4lit
Kapton JAC pretty much sums it up, in my opinion.


I do? Cool. cool


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