I have seen all three Matrix movies several times, and I know all the fight scenes, well, not as well as SW, but pretty well.
Even the last fight scene between Neo and Smith, I dont see this incredible differential in fighting speed over Annie and Obi Wan.
Should we ignore Destinyguy, start a new thread, or what?
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This is the problem. You keep saying that this is "Matrix Neo"".
Matrix Neo can move as fast as he wants, is as strong as he wants, is immortal, with Matrix powers. Neo can beat anyone inside the Matrix as long as he's not in a place that's been programmed to empower someone else, like the train man.
He's also limiting Lukes powers, saying some force powers wont work on Neo.
Way to ruin a thread, man.
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the starwars supporters though dont argue they give a list of abilities and assume the yshould work the same as against any other enem
but what kind of neo do yo uexpect, if you put a normal neo he is actually a pretty weak human, and everyone always tries to work around neos matrix form and kill his human self so its strictly matrix neo
Did I say that Jedi's were faster than Lightening bolts?
Also, Smith and Neo are not nearly as fast as lightening arcing from ground to cloud. That is BS. No where in the movie do you see that.
Nowhere in the movie do Agent Smith and Neo fight at "superspeed"...but Sidius and Luke most certianly fight much faster than even "superspeed". Luke has fought so fast before that he appeared to have 20 light sabers. No where do we see that in The Matrix.
If its speed you want, a linear trip across a major city that takes neo a couple of seconds is not very fast. Where did Neo fight at that speed
Exactly.
No. Neo does not have world level "bending powers". Luke has "bending powers" far beyond Neo's. Or did you not see Neo trying his damndest in a fight against Agent Smith in Revolutions? I take back what I said about Neo's resurrection powers. It would appear that Neo can be beaten in the Matrix. It would appear that it wears him down. I guess all of that "upping" of his powers he does with his mind takes a toll on him. The exception would be when he gets up after being shot like five times in the chest in the first movie.
I don't understand how you think Neo has faster reflexes. You saw the same fights I did. Neo and Agent Smith are fighting pretty fast...but nowhere near the abilities of a level 9 Jedi Swordsmen, much less NJO Luke Skywalker.
I don't see how you are missing this. If you are referring to the ROTJ Luke, yes, I give you that. IMO, ROTS Obi Wan is more than enough for 10 or more Agents.
His speed is much than NJO Luke's. We can easily quantify Neo's combat speed. Since we do not have NJO Luke's video speed, we can only go on written word. Based on the EU (cannon to the EU, of course), we have Luke moving much much faster than Revolutions Neo.
That is a flawed argument. Luke's feats have already been posted by another poster. Some of the feats, by themselves, allow Luke this fight with a 100% Neo.
No. The point is...Neo isn't anything in the real world except a really good martial artist. If you are going to throw Luke into Neo's universe, it is only fair to do a vice versa to show the contrast.
ROTJ Luke probably wouldn't stand a chance against Matrix Revolutions Neo. The introduction of NJO Luke was brought up to make it a less stupid debate. Luke doesn't really get a chance to Master his powers until AFTER ROTJ. He has minimal training. Neo, on the other hand, gets a lot of "playing time" and gets his training immediately loaded into his head. I would say that Neo is just about at his peak towards the end of Revolutions...whereas Luke takes years to reach his peak. Even then, I would assume that Luke is still learning.
I know. My insult was obviously stupid and only meant as humor. I hope you don't take my "I know you are but what am I insults seriously."
You do not have to explain your fanboyism to me....but to go along.
I am a bigger fan of "The Matrix" films than I am of Star Wars....sort of. I do not own any of the Star Wars films except for the Cartoon Attack of the Clones from Cartoon Network. I would love to see another Trilogy of the Matrix films. I am sort about equal, I guess. I love Star Wars and I love "The Matrix". I have seen Star Wars so many times, I don't need to buy the films.
Sometimes, during the summer, I watch all three Matrix Movies in a row. I have probably seen them each 8 times. That is ridiculously absurd for me because even the best movies I only see twice. I am a one time "watch the movie" type of person.
If you call "flexing your mind causing vibrations in the matrix" reality manipulation, then yes. But it is in no way shown the be anything beyond that. He is not "God-Like". He is low-end superhero like.
Also, your Mormon insult was over the line. I would appreciate and apology. Please refrain from personal attacks and keep this at the humorous insult level.
Of course he can't FLY that fast and Neo can. However, his everyday reflexes can operate/react to speeds like that. An 8 year old boy, who was not trained in the Force, was able to operate a Pod Racer at that speed. We do not see that from Neo. Would you like to know why? Neo is just barely superhuman in his mental abilities. A one out of 2 million kind of guy. (Yes, 2 million people live in Zion.) Luke is a one out of hundreds of trillions...so of course Luke is going to have reflexes much faster than Neo. Luke is using an ability to do that that is well beyond anything Neo can muster.
No, it proves that you refuse to acknowledge Neo's less than super qualities. Fanboyism FTW? Or argument for the sake of winning an argument?
And you also missed my point about using precog. What good is using precog to alter the outcome of a timeline if there are no possible moves that equate with your survival? The clones used to kill the Jedi were specifically designed to counteract the precog ability to "avoid" getting the beat down. Don't you remember that in ROTS? I am pretty sure the NJO Luke wouldn't have fallen victim eradication from even 100 clone Troopers designed to kill Jedi. That is not Fanboyism...that is a testament to have absurdly powerful NJO Luke is.
Wrong. Luke can be killed.
What, you don't like me show casing the powers of both characters? I have a lot more powers to draw from Luke than I do Neo. Luke is obviously much faster in combat than Neo. NJO Luke would win in a fight with Neo with no problem.
In fact, as I brush up on my facts from the EU, Luke seems more and more uber. Give Neo his ability to "erase"...he wouldn't stand a chance against Luke. I name specific feats that make Neo's feats look simple. The last battle between Neo and Agent Smith is well below the battles that Luke has fought. Punching holes through walls? Making large craters in the ground? "Hitting someone so hard that they literally fly several hundred feet? Child's play for Luke.
When does lightening slow to a crawl in the movie. Nowhere does it do that.
yeah...I was watching the same thing you were. Nowhere is there a feat like that. Do we see Neo's fist, arms, legs, body actually traveling faster than a lightening bolt?
Don't use illogic to make a point.
Failed logic again. Nowhere do they move faster than lightening or even close to the speed of lightening.
First of all, it was a joke, saying Neo is Godlike, because he can bring himself back from the dead [like Jesus] and saying you should have got that since you're Mormon, ie religious.
You've talked about ****ing my mother and my wife, which I took with a grain of salt. But a Mormon based joke is over the line, not to mention a non-insulting one? Go **** yourself while wearing your magic underoos, clownshoe.
Duh. But I would appreciate it if you wouldn't use that as a base to jump off of for insults. If you asked me not to insult a specific aspect of your life, (i.e. you mentioned you stated using your daughter as an insult was over the line after I stated it it would be...) I wouldn't. If I go over the line, just tell me and I will apologize. Why is that hard?
Its called courtesy. You can insult me all you want and I love it and I find it very fun. You are really good at it.
But please, don't bring up my religion, mock my religion, and use my religion as a means to insult me and convince me to win a debate.
This is the internet, so you can do as you please. I can be a whiny ***** about it and hit the report button, but I think you are mature enough to not get yourself banned.
Actually, I never said using my daughter to insult me was over the line, I simply don't respond to it. Bardock42 and a few others have done it, I don't cry about it. Personally, it reflects poorly on them if anything, not on me.
It wasn't a mock, an insult or a means to win a debate. Which part of that, is hard to comprehend? Mormons believe Jesus is God and that Jesus can back from the dead. The joke is that Neo came back from the dead, therefore the "Godlike" joke in reference to the Mormon aspect. Duh.
You agreed that it was "over the line". That is that is what I was referring to. Also, you mentioned that you love your daughter more than your wife, so I can understand any of those comments going over the line for you.
You can play a word game if you like...but you know what you did, and you just compounded the situation with your insulting reply back to my request for an apology.
"I simply don't respond to it. Bardock42 and a few others have done it, I don't cry about it. Personally, it reflects poorly on them if anything, not on me."
so they are on neutral ground, 100% powers, and all of their powers work on each other?
If not, this thread is a joke.
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Apr 16th, 2008 12:44 AM
I have seen Star Wars so many times, I don't need to buy the films.
