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Gender: Female Location: WheRe JacK is I'M There By His Side
Well most of the 20 mins they took out are Sparrabeth moments. I know of at least 3 scenes that they removed pertaining to Sparrabeth! Grrrrr! They make me so angry!
I guess since they just figure that it was gonna be Willabeth and the impact of Sparrabeth in DMC they decided not to encourage Sparrabeth more and deleted those scenes!
Gender: Female Location: at the second star to the right
Jacky, I think Liz is still the Pirate King at the end of the movie. There's nothing to suggest she isn't. She didn't stand on that hill for 10 years. She did stuff and she doesn't seem the type to back down and give up her dream job.
Sigh...I hate saying it because I'm a sparrabether, but the reason Liz watches over the chest is because she (coughs, deep breath) loves Will and doesn't want someone to stab his heart. In DMC, she didn't know how important the heart was, so she probably should have guarded the chest. But she felt she was being left out and that role was beneath her.
Actually, not watching the chest is probably one of the stupidest things she's ever done, besides not jump into Jack's arms and sail away with him.
Diva, what sparrabeth scenes????? Have you shared those, or am I just seriously blanking? Do share!
Well, I'm going to go with Top Stupid Things The Characters Didn't do....sorry, perversion of the topic, not totally corrupted, but just bent?
Okay, Guv Swann--didn't force Elisabeth to be with Will when he very first suspected a romance, best way to kill such is for your da to be agreeable....
Still Guv--didn't put Elisabeth over his knee and spank that headstrong little woman into some semblance of behaving.
Actually anyone, Jack, Will, James, Hector, Sao Feng for pete's sake:
Will, below decks, first PotC, stolen gold piece or AWE, bearing the burden; In AWE, most amazing waste of full body press, darn it!
Jack, well of course Rum Island!!; he thought about shooting her!!
Norrington, anytime really, he got presented with all manner of reason, first time on pier when she defies him in front of his troops, not cool;
Hector, either first meeting or Isla de Muerte.
Sao Feng, oh pick a moment on his ship....or in his compound.
Think this falls under my "Eunuchs What Still Had Their Goods" thesis (May, 2007, volume 2, Silly Books That Don't Really Exist appendix.)
Would have been a considerably shorter trilogy, doncha know?
Or the alternate theory--with the exception of her Da, why didn't anyone of those gentlemen Kiss the lady in question til she saw stars...(think Gone With The Wind--Rhett speaking to Scarlett (the other Scarlett), "you need to be kissed and kissed often by someone who knows how!" How's that for a sock knocker?) Who told them she was made of glass, cos they lied!!
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The entire conclusion to At World's End is the greatest example of an incredibly stupid deus ex machina; Beckett outgunned that motley assortment of raggedy-ass pirate ships by what? 10 to 1? What was the inclination to go out there and personally sink a ship that somehow survived a confrontation with the Dutchman? Even if it was in poor shape, there's no logical rationale to go out and do it yourself [Beckett might be an extraordinarily arrogant man, but self preservation seemed to be higher than that]. Okay, and even if you had to, why would you suddenly freeze? A counterattack might have done jackshit (no pun intended) against the Dutchman but there's no way that the Pearl could have survived it (apologies to all the fangirls, but Beckett's ship > Jack's ship [by an unhealthy degree]). And even if you were suddenly too frightened for a counterattack, why not haul ass off the ship?
Seriously. Writer's fiat on an alarming level. They might as well have gotten Johnny Depp to have a sudden voice over that said "And the pirates win because I say so".
Gender: Female Location: Drinking rum with Jack in a dingy
LOL this thread made me smile. I love it! Pirate Diva and I'vebeendepped (that's how I'll always remember you luv, no matter how many times you change your name).......you crack me up. I pretty much agree with everything you said.
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Beckett: goes out there by himself then doesn't give the order to shoot?? I was like what the heck?? Why did he go to meet the Black Pearl alone, and if you're going to be that stupid at least shoot for goodness sakes! LOL
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In all objectivity, there was nothing stupid about going to confront the Black Pearl alone; a little risky in that Cutler Beckett had three hundred other ships at his disposal for mop up duty, but not exactly stupid. Why? Because, get it through your heads, folks, the Black Pearl is notthe Flying Dutchman -- that ship ain't invincible or mystical -- it's just fast and damn lucky. The Endeavor versus the Pearl would have been a terribly lame fight considering that Beckett's ship was a ship-of-the-line and outgunned Sparrow's floating wooden turd by an obscene degree.
Gender: Female Location: at the second star to the right
While I agree in a fight, the Endeavor would blow the Pearl to bits, I do think the Pearl has some special quality, supernatural or not. If it was the same as any other ship, Will wouldn't have felt the need to go after it. In the DMC commentary, T&T mention that Will learns he specifically needs the Pearl to win against the Dutchman, which is a supernatural ship. It's not going to win against a huge ship like the Endeavor, but it seems to me that it needs more credit than being called a turd.
Gender: Female Location: on the dingy with dear ol' Jacky
a turd? pah!! jack would be very VERY angry.
Now there's a bit in the COTBP commentary where T&T point out how fast the Pearl is while it has torn shredded sails...it's true..
if you pay attention the Pearl is usually followed by a misty, cloudy weather too..we only see it in daylight (sunny!) a couple of times...there's something about it...read this (from a first draft)
WILL
>(O.S.)
>Gibbs! Can you hear me?
>
>GIBBS
>Aye.
>
>WILL
>(O.S.)
>care to pass the time?
>
>GIBBS
>I hold nothing against you a 'personal, William Turner.
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>Will drops down next to Gibbs, but hangs in the shadows.
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>WILL
>I'm curious about the Black Pearl.
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>GIBBS
>You come to the right man.
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>WILL
>Why is it the only ship that can catch the Flying Dutchman? What
>makes it so fast?
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>Gibbs keeps drinking as he talks.
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>GIBBS
>Well, there's the usual stuff. She was launched on a Wednesday with
>the moon on the make. You build a ship north-south, so the magnetic
>line don't mess with the compass. You use tree nails, as they're
>lighter. And you don't let no virgins or flat footed men or
>cross-eyed horses near.
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>Gibbs puts the cap onto his bottle. Will steps out of the shadows.
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>WILL
>Is that all? There must be more.
>
>We get the idea that he wants to keep Gibbs talking. Gibbs uncaps
>the bottle, drinks. Lowers his voice.
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>GIBBS
>Aye, there's more.
>The Black Pearl is made from the fastest wood, every plank a piece
>of polished Black Walnut -- dug up from used coffins. That's why it
>can catch the Flying Dutchman.
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>Will is dubious.
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>WILL
>Coffin? What about the masts?
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>GIBBS
>From trees that grew in graveyards.
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>WILL
>Ah.
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>GIBBS
>'Course we're not making much time now. With the bodies left over
>from the fight. (off Will looks) Everyone knows a ship sails slower
>when there's a corpse on board.
>
The scene right before Jack catches Will throwing the bodies off...the pearl is special mate. the endeavor is way more powerful but it's just a ship!
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Because the Pearl is the only ship that can compete with the Dutchman in terms of repute and (more importantly) speed. And compared to the Endeavor, a floating turd is exactly what it is.
Gideon, darlin', thanks so for your erudite opinions. I love to read them. I've not a clue what your criteria is for your comparsion--you have evidently given some thought to this and that's good.
Other stupid things that Characters do--not make better negoitations when dealing with Barbossa in CotBP, Barbossa even falls victum to this when dealing with Jack in the cave. He lets his ego and greed get ahead of spelling out the details does he not?
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Gender: Female Location: at the second star to the right
So then is Will choosing to go save Jack just because of the Pearl a stupid thing to do? Couldn't he just find the Endeavor and sneak aboard since by AWE everyone's figured out Beckett has the heart? The way I understand the end of DMC and based on the commentary, Will really doesn't care that Jack is in the Locker. The two reasons he wants to go on the rescue mission are 1.) to make Liz happy since he's assumed she loves Jack and 2.) to get the Pearl, which is why he does all that double-dealing.
So why even bother with the Pearl if he knows where the heart is? He even manages to get onboard the Endeavor without a battle, already knowing Jack wants to be the one to stab the heart. Is getting the heart and sneaking it away so Jack can stab it more far-fetched than engaging the Dutchman in a huge battle?
At what point are you referring? When Will is knocked overboard by Jack and retrieved by Beckett, the heart is on the Dutchman. If you're referring to the span between DMC and AWE, where Beckett holds the heart, there's no indication that it's necessarily aboard the Endeavor; Beckett probably had a small army guarding it the whole time. Will Turner (by himself) versus Mercer and an army of Imperial marines and EITC troops? Mercer's capable of going toe-to-toe with Barbossa (which arguably alone makes him more dangerous than Jack), a sniper-level shot with a pistol, capable of taking long steel chopsticks to the shoulder and still overpowering and killing Sao Feng's bodyguards. Not to mention he's sneaky as all get out. So, yeah, I'd rather go fight the Dutchman with the Pearl, myself.
Gender: Female Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
ROFLOL!!!! That's absolutely hilarious!!! That is the stupidest thing Disney could ever think of doing! Jack Sparrow is what made Pirates such a mega hit. With Jack not being Jack-ish=not a hit=no more money. That just struck me as incredibly idiotic.
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