well if u wanna go according to crossovers venom is probably one of the most powerful beings then. manhandling both superman and spiderman each in one arm
I have to go with Superman... Thor is pretty powerful but his magic is not strong enough to really hurt Superman. Thor might be a better fighter but Superman is smarter and faster. I will give the benefit of the doubt to Thor that they are almost even in strength and toughness but as fas as speed and intelligence goes... Superman dominates.
There is a difference between Venom "manhandling" Superman and him shoving Symbiote or whatever down his throat and Superman being stunned for a second.
Stun for a second? you getting me superman got his ass handed to him in that issue. venom tossed superman into a bus, no matter how u look at it. Superman lost to venom, so did spiderman, if it wasnt for that access kid with the sonic gun, both would have been toast.
and its a crossover if that were an actual event superman would beat venom with ease.
Currently, Thor has all of the power of Odin. His magic is divine. It is more than enough to put Supes out like a light. Thor has godlike speed, and he can fly at warp speeds, (way faster than Supes,) with Mjolnir. However, he doesn't fly at warp speeds on earth because of the disturbance it would cause. Thor is way too much for Superman.
After Odin perished battling Surtur, Thor became the new ruler of Asgard and claimed his fathers Odinpower, though the power subsequently left him. When the forge which created Mjolnir fell into the hands of Surtur, Thor found Asgard plunged into Rangnarok. Determining that the "gods above all gods" known as Those Who Sit Above in Shadow had manipulated Asgard into repeating the cycle of Ragnarok, he sought them out and gave his life to destroy them. The Odinpower, having manifested itself as a young Asgardian, congratulated Thor on his final victory, the plan his father had always had for him.
That about says it all.
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Yeah, Superman doesn't strike me as a god, even considering Thor's limitations. Superman could probably beat Hercules in a 'rasslin match, but I think Thor has this one.
1. Thor has magic and Superman is vulnerable to magic.
2. Thor is a god and Superman is not.
3. Thor has greater fighting skills than Superman.
In this post we’ll see that reasons (1) and (2) are faulty and that reason (3) is false.
Now let's examine them.
Reason 1
This is the most famous reason. The fact Superman is vulnerable to magic doesn’t imply that Superman is vulnerable to all magic. D.C. comic defines magic or magical energy as electromagnetic waves with a certain range of wavelength, as opposed to the more familiar meaning. Superman’s weakness is in the strength of his biomatrix. Its permeability to these wavelengths makes Superman vulnerable to certain radiations. In particular, the magical energy’s electromagnetic or extra-dimensional signature disrupts Superman’s force field. Superman’s vulnerability to magic also varies on the special effect of the magic. This implies that the magic in question depends on its incantation. For instance, if Superman were to get hit by lightning brought about from magical energy then the effect would be the same as him getting hit with regular lightning. This is because the magical energy was used to make real lightning. If the lightning that was made doesn’t have the exact properties of real lightning, then, by definition, it is not lightning but magical energy (a counterfeit). Thor’s hammer Mjolnir, does possess magical energy, and its incantation is the following:
1. Only the worthy may possess Mjolnir.
2. Mjolnir will return to the exact place where it was thrown.
3. Power of simulated flight.
4. Power to summon real thunder, lightning, wind, and rain.
5. Mjolnir is (only by conventional means) indestructible.
6. Power to open extra-dimensional portals.
Note: None of these poses as a weakness for Superman.
Reason 2
This reason is obviously fallacious. As long as Thor is a god and not God (with the capital G) then there is no logical reason why he can’t be defeated by a non-god. A god is defined as: A male being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people. So most super-heroes can possibly be gods (even Superman). The belief, "It is impossible for a non god to defeat a god.", is just plain foolishness.
Reason 3
This reason is logically valid if only it were true. All Marvel trading cards with stats in addition to the Marvel Universe encyclopedias rank Thor’s fighting ability as a 4 (Experienced Fighter), with 7 being the highest. “What?” Thor has thousands of years of fighting experience and yet he isn’t even a master of a single form of combat. Mere mortals such as Captain America and Wolverine outrank Thor’s fighting ability by 3 whole levels. On the other hand, Superman can move faster than the eye can blink. There is no amount of fighting skill that can combat this (not even a fighting rank of 7). One can't dodge or block that is which is too fast for him to react to. Only the JEDI can do this through their use of the Force. Thor has never fought anyone of Superman's speed and reflexes before (Although in the fight between Thor and Gladiator, for some strange reason, Gladiator did not fight at his optimal speed). Also, Superman has received rigorous training in the art of warfare by Mongul himself. Thus by adding in super speed, super reflexes, and vast powers, Superman is a much greater fighter than Thor.
More on Thor and Superman
Superman is extremely much stronger than Thor. Post-crisis (not Pre-crisis) Superman’s maximum bench-press strength is listed as 250,000 tons (when using his telekinetic abilities) while Thor’s maximum press strength is around 100 tons. This is a 2,500% difference. Superman’s maximum speed is 60,000 mph (flight – atmosphere), 300,000,000 mph (flight – space, about half the speed of light), and 30,000 mph (running) while Thor’s maximum speed is on average 200mph (running), 25,000 mph (flight -- atmosphere and space), and infinite (inter-dimensional travel through portals formed by Mjolnir).
Also, Thor is nowhere near invulnerable as Superman is. Thor’s flesh and bone density is about 3 times that of human tissue. His flesh is a consistency 5-7 times stronger than regular Kevlar. This fact is estimated from the facts: (1) Hulk’s skin is a consistency 8-10 times stronger than kevlar and (2) Hulk is always a level above Thor in the durability stat. Now imagine Thor, with this durability level, getting hit by a 225lb. baseball-sized cannonball traveling at 30 times faster than a rifle’s bullet and that has nearly no give or loss of velocity at impact. This is about 30,000 times the momentum of the rifle’s bullet. Superman will literally punch a gapping hole in the Asgardian. Thus there is no way that Thor can withstand Superman’s might.
But on the other hand, direct physical hits by Mjolnir could possibly affect Superman. But this actually depends on whether the magical energy in Mjolnir coincides with D.C.’s definition and if Superman manages to get hit at all. For the sake of argument, let’s assume Mjolnir does have the correct type of magical energy in it and in which, for some strange reason, Superman happens to get hit by it. But after this first hit Superman will now know of Mjolnir properties, and due to Superman’s super speed and reflexes, it would then be nearly impossible for Thor to hit him with it again.
Conclusion
Since those popular three reasons are not valid and the ones I gave are, then hence, Superman wins easily. Also, IMHO, I believe that Superman could possibly defeat the entire Avenger's team. This is because of the fact that Count Nefaria could and the fact that Superman is much stronger, faster (including reflexes), has more powers, and has greater fighting skills than Count Nefaria.
Facts on Thor come from an official Marvel site: http://marveldirectory.com
(Look up Thor, Asgardian, Beta Ray Bill, and Quicksilver under Individuals in the index).magicreal lightning
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