Im not making your arguments Firelord is vastly superior to Spiderman in every aspect, Spiderman is only superior to Cap in strength by a big margin, but Caps massive skill advantage is enough to give him the majority.
You cant compare SvFL to SvCap that is absurd.
1. A robot clone of Spiderman that was stalemating Spiderman said the samething.
2. Cap has beaten Spiderman villains.
Why is comparing Spidey vFL to Spidey v Cap absurd? Why are you of the opinion, that FL being beaten by Pete is FL being written down, but Parker having a low showing is acceptable.
You said Spidey's only noticeable advantage is his strength-what about his Spidersense??
Because the factors that would make the difference in this fight don't defect to strength alone?
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Yes, when you stated...
...I understood your point then, to which I replied you were exaggerating (with the "100s of years"), and you replied...
Basically, you shot down your own point, and I was just trying to clarify that (since I'm pretty sure that wasn't your intention).
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Shinier than a speeding bullet.
Hmmmm... Not really. The difference between Spiderman and high end street levels is minimal. They're in the same league when it comes to what kinds of feats they have, what kind of enemies they take down, and what it takes to bring them down.
The difference between Spiderman and a friggin Herald of Galactus is absurdly and vastly monumental in comparison.
It's like the difference between two olympic runner; Gold and Silver place medal winners, one might be marginally better than the other but neither are as fast as a turbo jet which is what the difference between FL and SM is when you consider outright power.
Firelord shouldn't lose to Spiderman because he regularly competes at another level completely it's not even logical to compare him to streetwalking metahumans. Spiderman on the other hand has been in street level contests since his incarnation.
How is that even remotely the same?
The only advantage Spiderman brings to a street level fight at Cap's level is strength... that's the only thing he has over any 1st class streeter in h2h...
The advantages that Firelord has over Spiderman range from a strength and durability hundreds of times greater, to reaction times that can compensate for lightspeed intersteller travel, to power that can bring down planets...
It's like comparing a baseball to a golfball, and then comparing the same baseball to a Hummer II and calling the comparative differences between them to be in the same range.. they aren't and are far from it.
Sure he reveres Cap, but his abilities have never shown to have a good use of h2h combat knowledge especially up against high class streeters not including Cap.
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What about it? Everyone from Wolverine, to Cap to Iron Fist to even Rogue are able to feel the shifts of pressure in the air and react to attacks accordingly. Spiderman's SS is an equalizer to his lack of formal training and developed abilities and he's admitted to that too.
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Its more than equalizer, its a definite advantage. A sniper pulling a trigger from 30feet away doesn't create a shift in air pressure, but the fired bullet will. Spiderman's Spidersense will alert him to the danger as soon as a sniper takes his aim, before he even pulls the trigger. His vast experience (rememeber he has been Spiderman since he was in high school) is what makes up for his lack of formal training
It IS an equalizer when all it does is help Spiderman to acheive the same result as what Streeters like Cap, IF, and BP do on the regular without one.
And DD's senses allow him to do much the same in some scenarios. That doesn't mean that DD's reflexes and ability to cope with what's coming at him is also vastly superior to other street levels... It's compensation for things he doesn't have.
Spiderman's spider sense is an equalizer to Cap's experienced and honed awareness when it comes to a hand to hand competition and it's been repeatedly proven.
No it doesn't... If that was the case he wouldn't have trouble with the Enforcers 40 years into his career.. but guess what...
His experience is nice but it doesn't compensate for Cap's skill.
His S.S. is nice but it doesn't overshadow Cap's honed awareness and reflexes either. They have the same reflexive feats. They DON'T have the same feats of skill and h2h fighting application.
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Spiderman is faster than Cap-I don't recall Cap being referred to as having reflexes 15 x better than human.
Spidersense> experinced honed awareness
add to this the fact that Spidey is vastly experienced at direct combat and I can't see how Cap can win
You really need to read some Cap comics or go to the respect thread. If you knew anything about the character you would'nt be saying some of the stuf you are saying now. This is just basic stuff.
Ihave read Cap comics and I've read plenty of Spiderman comics and I have seen both respect threads. The fact i disagree with you doesn't mean I know nothing of the characters. I'm basing my opinions on the considerable knowledge that I have of both characters
Oh you think so? PROVE. IT.
Spiderman MIGHT be slightly faster than Cap but the difference would be irrecognizeable and it definitely would not pose as a matter of difference in this fight.
You feel differently? Great! Why don't you do what 1,000 pages of arguing and hundreds of Spiderman fans and fanboys alike have failed to do and show EVIDENCE past the point of hyberbole that shows Spiderman being legitimately faster than any high class street level like Cap....
I haven't seen it done yet and I've argued with A LOT of Spidey fans.
Does he have to?
Do Quicksilver and the Flash have to be stated as XXX amount of times faster than a human for you to infer that they're faster than Spiderman? Can't you tell that from on panel evidence alone or are you not so inclined?
Why does Captain America need to be stated as being X amount of times greater than human to credit his speed when he's 1) not a normal human, and 2) every feat he does is clearly outside the scope of human capability?
And just because he doesn't have that stated...so what? You think that automatically detracts from the things he's done?
Hell even minimally trained MA's are faster than the average human being. some move so fast they can't be recorded on film.
Now multiply that by "peak human" or "enhanced human" and you're looking at one fast mofo.
lol... In a h2h fight?
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So what if he's "vastly experienced"? He's "vastly experienced" at taking down stupid super powered clowns who get owned by their own stupidity, random mindless clowns who get owned by their lack of brains, super intelligent clowns who still get tricked into defeat or can't hack a real fight.. The only thing Spiderman's "vastly experienced" in when it comes to fighting dangerous and skilled streeters, is getting his Spider butt handed to him, or at the least having a hard time... I don't see how you can think he can't win when every bit of evidence points to the contrary.
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