Morg himself is a formidable match for Silver Adaptoid, add in the other heralds at the same time and it seems hard for me to accept Silver Adaptoid can win
Also, what is so special about Cap's shield?
PS: take my comments with a grain of salt, i haven't read all the arguments (finishing up 2 final papers)
it absorbs energy, especially kinetic energy like a whistle blow in a sound proof room, in the middle of deep space.
and it can be thrown by cap pretty hard and with a lot of damage to the opponent, someone with even twice his strength coupled with his throwing skill is fatal.
oh and the scan of the shield hurting ulysses klaw, klaw is vulnerable to vibranium as it absorbs the sound that keeps his quasi-solid body intact.
not the same as stardust at all.
And here, he’s bested by the Thing. Once again, he overpowers his opponent, but it beaten by the human determination of his weaker adversary. (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
SA’s mind just seems like a restraint to Surfer, who has overcome similar odds when dealing with overwhelming opponents. Cap, Thing, and Spidey were all much weaker opponents and were able to beat SA, I don’t see how putting him in Surfers body will suddenly make him unbeatable when he’s versing Surfer level opponents working as a team and complimenting each others abilities.
And about your sensing my opponents, that argument just strengthens my position because my team has cosmic awareness as well, and can sense the immense energy build up and prepare. You are greatly overestimating your amalgam.
As for the Nega-bands recharge scan, that’s nowhere near the scale you’re talking about. He hasn’t expended a huge amount of energy in a field consuming attack and is trying to fully recharge to deal with 4 heralds INSTANTLY since he’s following right behind the blast wave.
Also, your attack totally relies on impaling Terrax with the board, which as I’ve said, isn’t happening. You have no backup and your scans are remotely related to the battle at best. My strategy is much more in character and likely. In all the scans I’ve found, SA’s style isn’t represented by your plan and he’s consistently beaten by weaker opponents.
In case you missed it I had the Super Adaptoid use the Cosmic Awareness of Surfer to pick up details on your team, and as Surfer demonstates here powers/abilities and such ARE picked up by his Cosmic Awareness… http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/...99600411no5.jpg
So I WILL know the abilities of your team.
Means that I’ll know that Terrsx has less power than the rest of your team.
And again if your team already has a plan they are moving to execute and have to suddenly stop and deal with the spatial energy wave, what makes you think any of them are going to be available to save Terrax when I do something like this to him… http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7915/ff26013zt6.jpg
And what makes you think Terrax will be able to do anything AT ALL to prevent given his obvious vulnerability to Surfer’s speed?
No in a best case scenario(from my POV) would be plowing into Terrax while your team is plastered against the dome from the spatial energy wave. The worst case scenario would be your reacting to the wave and me having to teleport past your portal before slamming Terrax into the dome at a 1000x lightspeed and pinning him to the dome like he does Durok(who’s stronger than Thor) here… http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/...hor19317sy8.jpg
Touch him while he’s pinned(since touch instantly adapts powers), and then decapitate him with the Sword of Light. Total elapse time before Terrax‘s death= 3 seconds, and that’s in the BEST case scenario for your team.
One of your team will never get the chance for a breather because they’re not going to last that long due to my superior strength, speed, skill, and equipment. There’s not a single person on your team with the POSSIBLE exception of Stardust that I can’t one shot.
Aren’t you basing your characters abilities off of Surfer’s though? I haven’t seen a single speed feat for any of your team and you’re automatically assuming they can react to the opening blast…
And here’s an example of the difference between Surfer using Surfer’s powers and SA using Surfer’s powers.
Surfer can evolve life and transmute creatures into other creatures right? Now since I have full knowledge of how to use Surfer’s powers I could do both of those things just as well but unlike Surfer I couldn’t steer the evolution/transmutation to create an entirely different species because I lack the creativity to come up with one.
All I’m doing is setting up a blast I KNOW is within my capabilities and switching out one type of energy for another more efficient type, there’s no creativity needed for that.
Having SA's mind doesn't, you're right about that. But having the ability to increase his strength to the combined levels of Herc and Lex DOES. As for durability, I have either Surfer's or the combined durability of Lex's battle suit and Hercules, whichever's greater(and I'm betting on the combination). And aside from that level of durability I also have Surfer's speed and the skill's and equipment of Cap and the Black Knight working for me.
Morg gets beaten by Surfer when Surfer's unarmed, physically weaker, and DOESN'T have the uber offensive/defensive weapons(as well as the skill to use them) of Captain America and the Black Knight.
...when it's only backed by Cap's "peak human" level strength, then what are Morg's chances of retaining consciousness after getting tagged with it by someone with the combined strength of Herc and Lex's power suit? I can tell you what his chances are are... ZERO.
Does BRB’s hammer have Cap’s track record of disrupting/injuring energy beings the way Cap’s shield does? No… then it not affecting Stardust like that is inconsequential. If nothing else a couple of shot’s from Cap’s shield would leave Stardust damaged/disoriented enough for my guy to do this…
since his shield can only block one direction at a time...and if he is blocking, then he isn't using it to attack. if he uses it to attack, then he loses the defensive advantage. Typhus teams numbers seem a bit hard to overcome.
That's not the true Super Adaptoid, it's a human who was given powers similar to the Super Adaptoid. Do you have anything from the character who makes up my amalgam to suggest such a thing is true for him?
after reading, i got to go with goober on this one... his planning and strategy just seem to strike more of a chord with me, like they're the more likely outcome...
You're really using an instance where SA was confined to using only one or two templates as proof that he can be beaten by your team? Of course the Thing was able to put him down because he was only as strong/durable as the Thing himself at the time. My guy is more powerful, stronger, more durable, faster, more skilled and equipped with far better weaponry at his disposal than anyone on your team. Since you decided to send them in one and two at a time none of them are going to last past the opening shield bash or sword swipe.
I'm sorry what was it you said here...
So far you've tried to milk the known abilities of Surfer for speed(by assuming your team is fast enough to react to my amalgam despite there being ZERO speed feats to their credit) and now you're trying to say that they have the same cosmic senses as he does...
I set up the blast during prep and then recharged afterwards(but before the match itself starts). I'll be fully replenished when the bell rings even if I have to drain all the energy from the Sun to do it(SA is an villain, so the condition of our sun is inconsequential to him).
Two instances of Surfer's speed being too much for Terrax to react to isn't proof?
That's because uber item's like the Quantum Bands and Thor's hammer ARE replicated imperfectly, but the same doesn't hold true of general abilities and powers or even all complex items(he's copied Iron Man's armor, Cap's shield, and the Nega Bands with NO difference shown or stated).
goober, one question: If SA uses the shield offensively, doesn't he lose his one defensive advantage and open himself up for attack by the other three heralds?
What makes you think he'll need to block more than one direction at a time? He's going to have Terrax dead in the opening seconds and Stardust won't be far behind. Morg and Red Shift are both brawlers and given my characters far superior speed and skill taking them on is going to be a snap.
And even if I throw my shield it's not going to leave me defenseless. I'll still have Surfer's speed, Cap's skills at dodging, Black Knight's skills(and an Uber Mystic Sword that can parry anything my opponents throw at me), and either the combined durability of Herc and Lex's power suit or the durability of the Surfer(whichever's greater).
but it seems the picture you're painting has Surfer kinda doing all the aggression and the other team is simply reacting
whereas I find it more likely that at the second the match starts, both sides are going at each other
you have 4 heralds against one powered up herald
Surfer as you say would try to take out terrax at the start...and I would agree a few seconds would be all that is needed, assuming he was facing terrax alone. but here, he has 3 other heralds unleashing blasts and attacks at him at the get go, so I don't think taking out terrax would be as simple as you believe.
and similarly, the forcefield is effective, and in your scans protected him against powerful attacks...but the combined attacks of several heralds seems to me to leave him no breathing room to really take advantage of it as much as a one on one battle affords
I just find the numbers a bit too much to overcome...facing 4 heralds is not the same as facing 4 heralds one at a time in a row, its facing all 4 at once.
aren't we supposed to explain why we vote one way or the other? I thought that was what Evangel wanted.
I find it more helpful for Goober to attempt to sway my vote if I lay out the reasons why i voted for Typhus rather than if I just posted that Typhus outdebated Goober.
That's the thing, it doesn't matter if he ends up getting triple teamed. Surfer's faster than any of my opponents by a fair amount and that speed is now complimented by the combined skills and equipment of the Black Knight and Captain America.
And that's aside from the fact that Cap's shield and the Sword of Light are backed by the combined strength of Herc and Lex, I think it's safe to say that he's more than capable of taking down any of them fairly quickly.
And since there's been nothing to suggest that anyone on his team can react to or counter the spatial energy wave in the opening second of the match it means that his entire team is going to be plastered to the dome for the first part of the match(giving me aple time to take out both Terrax and Stardust).
You seem to be mistaken. Super Adaptoid CAN "stack" attributes, he just avoids it because of his limit on using templates(which the Silver Adaptoid lacks)...
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