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i rate it a 9.5. it is better them temple of doom and i liked the whole 50's feel. also i thought mutt was a cool charachter do to the knife throwing. so is it safe to say mutt jones is a knifer and not a whip user?
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True. But 9,5... there are very few films in general I'd give a 9,5... That's darn near perfect... And which ever way you turn it, I know at least three Indy movies that do not get such high marks.
True that that was said Kazenji, but Speilberg had said in promotional vids before that that he felt Indy was back.
Regardless of phraseology, I disagreed.
(Unless "Back" in movie terms qualifies as "Popped in for 15 mins before becoming a train wreck/laughing-stock-for-all-the-wrong-reasons so that Lebeouf can be franchised up".)
Alot of people were repelled by the movie, including Queeq hence his totally reasonable non-eye-to-eyeage on the 9.5 for KOTCS.
The playing on the very name of Indy is bad enough, when the actual Indy content was this lame.
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Hmmm.. I liked Ford, he was the best thing about the film, so to me he still felt as Indy...
Maybe Spielberg should have rephrased: George is back.
Reading in the Making of Indiana Jones book, I get this weird old-George-new-George feeling. The choices he made then, his sense of judgement then made a lot of sense. Compared to now... it's odd. I think the Howard the Duck experience fried his brain or something.
The holiday special was third-party, but Howard had Lucas bang-to-rights there.
I thought Ford's 1st 20 mins were his best in this flick.
Maybe not his fault though.
The script was clearly written by a caravan full of Baboons who were only that morning given their first sheets of paper with some crayons.
Just another addage-prover regarding the "Good Actor/Bad Movie - Bad actor/Good movie" hypothesis maybe.
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If Lucas turned down a superior script to this movie, then me and him are done, and I would apologise and take back a lot of what I have said here regarding Spielberg's input here, however TFS and WOTW etc still suck.
INterestingly enough... The Making of Indiana Jones doesn't give any script summary of Darabont's script. In all the other movie chapters there are movie summaries of all earlier story and script drafts. About KOTCS... there is none. Something fishy is going on.
A deceased whale of such enormous size that it actually causes passing pedestrians to point saying:"Thats no moon....Thats a whaling station!!!" lies rotting somewhere close to the Danish, no mistake.
It smells akin to the poon of the devil herself..
DAMN YOU, LUCAS (You too, Speilberg...!)!!!!
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Apparantly Darabonts script has been leaked online somewhere.
Found this about it
And this from the indy wikipedia
Plot
Similar to the finished film, the crystal skulls were remains of aliens worshipped by South Americans, and Marion Ravenwood as Indy's love interest. However, their child is a 13-year old girl, and the villains are Nazis hiding in South America.
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It was alwasy about aliens and Roswell. Lucas insisted on that from teh very early beginning. And I don't think the topic is a problem per se, the execution might be. Point is: Spielberg loved Darabont's script... Lucas did not. And now we got this...
Wow... Darabont's script is around on the internet. And I just read it... There are quiet a few elements the same, but it's rather a different story. The Alien element is reduced overall in te film, the ending is like the one in the film now. No Mutt, no Indy's son. But it does ahve a much more complex enemy pallete: it includes Russians, the Peruvian president and army, an ex-nazi and the American government fater Jones on suspicion of being a Russian spy. And there, sides change quite a bit. So the action is more dynamic and focused much more on finding the City of the Gods. The skull serves much more as a McGuffin than in KOTCS. The humor's great.
Even the snake bit has a nice twist: Indy's overcome his fear of snakes until he get swallwed by a huge snake (animals are a lot bigger around the City of the GOds, including ants), he cuts himself free. Later he's afarid again of snakes, screaming when he sees the tiniest snake in his tent.
I think Darabont got it better than Koepp to be frank. But hey...
I think I know why Lucas didn't like it: no Area 51, less aliens (except at the beginning). But the action is better, Oxley's role is much smaller (he's in a cage and used by a rival archeaologist to find the City of the Gods).
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