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Nazis make better villains than Soviets.

Saw it at midnight. Really good! I really had a blast seen Indy crack the whip and run from deadly traps and making great escapes.

The villains were really good for Kingdom of the Skull. However, it does not feel the same. See, it would make more sense that the villains for this film were Nazis and not Ruskies. The thing is...Soviets weren't really big fans of Mythology or treasure hunting. They were more interested in space travel and nuclear weapons.

The Nazis were more mythical. It makes more sense to have had the film use former Nazis as villains trying to get to the skull and revive the Nazi regime during the early days of the cold war. At least that's how I see it.

So what do you think? Nazis over Soviets?

Go see Indiana Jones...you'll like it. smile


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Nazis would have been better, but I dont mind the Soviets.
They mentioned something about waking up an army of undead or something? Could have just had some Nazis trying to revive the regime or something just as an added plot thing.

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Soviets in the 50s were considered pretty much as evil as nazi's. Today we look at them them more mildly, and nazi's are still considered evil.


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I think the Russians have/had great potential to become the better villains, but I also prefer the Nazi's over the Russians. Perhaps it's because of how each were different that one another in the movies. I wasn't at all indimidated by the Russians, the Nazi's on the other hand felt more evil, on a much grander scale.


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They mentioned something about waking up an army of undead or something? Could have just had some Nazis trying to revive the regime or something just as an added plot thing.


You know, the setting was actually quite perfect for that plot. South America during the 50s was the most notorious hide out for Nazis who escape Europe after the fall of the Nazi regime. It would have made more sense to use that story.


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I didn't mind them and they fit for the 50's


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You know, the setting was actually quite perfect for that plot. South America during the 50s was the most notorious hide out for Nazis who escape Europe after the fall of the Nazi regime. It would have made more sense to use that story.


I would have been a very forced "we need nazi's as baddies for Indy" approach.

In the end, the best villain yet must be Belloq.


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On the russians and the occult, mythology Etc.... I reakon they were trying to do something like with the game Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine because With it the russians in it were excavating some babalyon ruins looking for some machine so they contact some god


So yea going by what they've been doing with the russians with that game and this movie they seem to be going after stuff so they can contact more godlike beings rather then go with the nazi path to look for some artifact so they can gain some ultimate power.

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I agree that the Russians in this were inferior screen-villians to the Nazis.

However, the real reason that the villians had no "ooomph" behind 'em in this is, that even if they were well acted -which they weren't- the tone of the whole movie being a family cineplex comedy would never allow for true menace.

A decent villian would perhaps have been wasted on this flick in that context.

NO WONDER Connery turned the script down.


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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Saw it at midnight. Really good! I really had a blast seen Indy crack the whip and run from deadly traps and making great escapes.

The villains were really good for Kingdom of the Skull. However, it does not feel the same. See, it would make more sense that the villains for this film were Nazis and not Ruskies. The thing is...Soviets weren't really big fans of Mythology or treasure hunting. They were more interested in space travel and nuclear weapons.

The Nazis were more mythical. It makes more sense to have had the film use former Nazis as villains trying to get to the skull and revive the Nazi regime during the early days of the cold war. At least that's how I see it.

So what do you think? Nazis over Soviets?

Go see Indiana Jones...you'll like it. smile


Though, unless I'm mistaken, Stalin was intrested in the possible, though doubtful, applications of mind-control, which was what the soviets were going for. Albet, it was a lowly funded and not as highly sought as space travel and nukes. And he was always looking for knowledge that noone else knew, to give him an edge if the war went hot.

I do, however think that the Nazis would have given Indy 4 more of a classic feel, but, who would have been leading them? I just kinda wish that Indy 4 had stuck closer to the actual legends of the cristal skulls than it did.

all-in-all, however, I enjoyed it. Not as much as Raders or the Last Crusade, but I thought it was beter than Temple of Doom. ( I didn't really care much for temple of doom.)


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Temple of Doom was more of a true Indy film than this one though.
Its a classic.

Whereas this one is just a cynical homage to better days at best, imo.

Its a sad day when an appearance by Scrub's "The Janitor" isn't funny too. stick out tongue


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Well, I'll watch it tonight. I hope I'll like it.


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NO WONDER Connery turned the script down.


After that horrendous mess with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I'm glad he retired.


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I am now so curious about Frank Darabont's original script. Which is the one Lucas turned down... and now we have this. Has George been meddling again in JarJar mode?


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After that horrendous mess with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I'm glad he retired.


Yea i also read a thing on that movie where Sean did'nt get along with the director and apparantly they had $185 million for the movie did'nt look it tho.

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Quarrels...


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Cate Blanchett was great (as per usual) but I have to say, Nazis make more menacing villains than Soviets.

Y'know, Nazis were just bad - makes you appreciate how Alison Doody managed to make Elsa sympathetic - but with the Soviets, you reach a grey area, because the USA weren't quite the golden heroes they made themselves out to be either.


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Blanchett did great. Too bad her character didn't have much depth scriptwise.


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Nope. But that was common for alot of characters. They just didn't get the breathing space needed to justify their presence in the film.


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Blanchett did great. Too bad her character didn't have much depth scriptwise.


Or at all.

Felt disappointed for her and Ray Winstone.

Her accent work was dodgy too.


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