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Originally posted by psycho gundam
i guess routh is the obvious choice here.

but an interesting memory occurred to me, this HAD to be brought up before in defense of sentry-

in superman returns kal had to catch and land a jumbo jet full of passengers right.....the directors at least payed attention to physics and aerodynamics in that scene so it would look and film right.

superman, let alone pre-crisis can obviously stop the jet with his strength/flight but at the cost of the occupants if he really gave his all, to me and others the same applies with the sentry hellicarrier incident.some posters discredited his heroic actions for weakness when the former was correct. he had displayed power that would destroy the helicarrier killing hundreds of government officials, he simply curbed his thrust as he would have punched a hole through the hull when the logical choice was to wait and allow his teammates to level and bare the structure.

idunno, i think sentry is pretty close to superman in a lot of areas and the feat in superman returns sort of reinforces that.

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Originally posted by Soljer
Lulz. Movies aren't canon to the comic characters. Superman juggles skyscrapers while balancing two 747s on each of his big toes.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Kind of off-topic, but I am of the opinion that Superman II was the best superhero movie ever made

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Originally posted by Soljer
Donner cut >>>> Superman II.

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Originally posted by spetznaz
One more thing: The 'Bullet Test.'

Let me explain:

BULLET TEST NO. 1:
Superman (Routh): The guy was basically getting shot at with an AP Gattling Gun, and he basically shrugged off the entire fussilade like they were droplets of water. However, MORE IMPORTANTLY (when it comes to the 'Bullet Test' TM), he got a single bullet fired at him from a handgun, point blank range, at his eye! And the bullet, upon coming into contact with his cornea, simply got mashed up and fell down.
The guy was perfectly invulnerable, to the point that a slug cannot even TICKLE his eye in the least.

SUPERMAN (ROUTH) PASSES THE 'BULLET TEST.'



BULLET TEST NO. 2:
The Hulk (First movie): The Hulk horribly fails the 'Bullet Test.' Well, while he cannot be killed by bullets (many were fired at him, from personell weapons to miniguns in Comanche attack helicopters), the EFFECT of those bullets on him were easy to note.
For one, they definitely irritated him. He FELT them. They did not hurt him, but he felt them (compare and contrast with Routh getting shot in the eye and .....well, nothing!)
SECONDLY, the impact of the bullets on his skin left ripple marks. They were actually going in a bit before bouncing off (again, compare that effect on movie Hulk's skin with the effect of the bullet on Superman's eye).
Basically, while the Hulk can be said to be invulnerable to bullets, he is not at the same level as the Routh Superman (clearly).
I believe at one point in the movie one of the bad guys was trying to stick some drill thingimajig into the Hulk's eye when he was immobilized by the sticky-goo stuff.
He does not pass the 'Bullet Test' to the same level as Routh.


BULLET TEST NO. 3:
Then we have Hancock. Now, this is obviously being written before the movie comes out, so it is SOLELY based on the trailer.
What is apparent is that Hancock definitely passes the 'Bullet Test.' The only question is HOW WELL he passes it.
I think he does very well.
For one, there is a scene where he crash lands into a car with perps, and they shoot at him. The bullets ricochet off him, and strike two of the perps.
If you look at that shot in the trailer, you will realize that his sun-glasses have two holes in them (where the eyes should be). Now, that is only based on the trailer, but it does seem as if he passed the bullet-in-the-eye test.


CONCLUSION:
Routh's character definitely passes the 'Bullet Test.'
So does Will Smith's character.

The Hulk, on the other hand, fails (well ...technically fails, because even though he may not DIE from bullets, he is not breezing through them either pain free .....based on the first movie. So Hulk fans, I am NOT talking about comicbook Hulk).

Thus you can eliminate the Hulk based on the 'Bullet Test,' leaving Superman and Hancock.

Then this is where my first post picks up from (comparing the Routh movie with the Hancock trailer, which is somewhat unfair). However, so far, tossing a land-mass (be it a large island or a small continent) DEFINITELY trumps tossing a whale a mile-off into the sea.

Easily.

And that doesn't include the other powers that Superman brings to the fight that Hancock does not.
Hancock is basically a Black Adam/Captain Marvel character, who are basically Superman WITHOUT the full-array of powers (all they have is strength, speed, invulnerability and flight). The only reason people say that Black Adam and Captian Marvel can be a problem from Kal El is because their powers are magic based, otherwise they would be Superman-lite.

Hancock's powers, so far, are not magic based. Thus, he is basically Superman (and we don't know whether he is as strong as Routh's Superman, but let's assume he is in the ball park ....which may not be the case), but with only flight, strength and speed (again, even Iron Man can cause a sonic boom, but movie Superman is much faster than that). He does not have the other powers Superman would bring to the fight.

Anyways, in my opinion, the ranking would be Routh (Superman)-Will(Hancock) -Eric (Hulk), with the Hulk not even DESERVING to be in the fight (he is better of struggling against gamma-irradiated poodles), and Hancock being based on a trailer.

Either way, the Hancock movie will be super. It will show what Superman would be if he took lessons from Black Adam (and maybe also from Tony Stark in the alcohol department).

The movie Hulk (first movie) is better off fighting movie Iron Man than tangling against Routh Superman or Hancock. Either would simply kill him (with Hancock doing it in a spectacularly cool way)

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Originally posted by Placidity
Firstly, nice analysis

But I think it might be flawed, especially the bullet test.

All the bullet test shows is level of durability. While it is definately an important factor, it doesn't mean an automatic loss for the Hulk. Strength and Speed should also be considered. Who knows if the Hulk could rival Hancock's strength?
So we see that the Hulk is not as durable, but can Hancock exploit Hulk's inferior durability to a point where he can win? We know the Hulk has high stamina and endurance, so its quite possible he could take any punishment from Hancock, all the while getting madder and stronger, maybe to the point where he could finally defeat him.

Also, what kind of bullets were Hancock shot with? I'm still unable to watch the trailer yet, but its important to draw accurate comparisons. For example, it can be assumed that the impact from the Gattling gun (in SR) and the minigun (from the Hulk) are comparable. So what kind of rounds was Hancock shot with?

Anyway in the new Hulk trailers and TV spots, Blonksy (human form) shoots several rounds (9mm) into Hulk's face with no effect. So maybe the Hulk in the new film might be more powerful.

So what I'm trying to say is... don't dismiss the Hulk yet!

The thing that is certain is that, from what we can see so far from trailers etc, Superman has shown the most impressive feats.
(wow, lifting a small continent with kryptonite emdedded in it? It shouldn't even be possible!)

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
grey whales weigh like 30+ tons, the M1 abrams is 60+ (empty weight)

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Originally posted by Soljer
Donner cut >>>> Superman II.

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Originally posted by jrodslam
Hancock.

Most impressive thing Routh did way lift the kryptonite continent. So far, Hancock is looking very very impressive. Very.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
What was different in the Donnor cut? I saw one added scene on the net, but wasn't sure what else was added.

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Originally posted by Entity
Someone please explain to me how the hell, he was able to throw a continent, made of kryptonite while having part of a kryptonite crystal still lodged in his side, into outer space like 10 minutes after getting a beat down form 3 normal humans while just standing on it?