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The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. The Classic Beyonder
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Then don't use it as evidence Master :/

Because it's Thor's ramblings.


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It seems like a good scan, good friend

I have no problem with ppl using Thanos w/HOTI or Beyonder(Pre Retcon)

Beyonder was the all for a short time('82-85) Shooter abused his power and was ganged up on. Hence the many retcons. Beyonder was the TOAA in '82. Kinda funny because when LT appeared in Strange Tales #158...He was the man

In theory, if TOAA wants LT to win. IMO, he will.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
But both writers would have to agree that Beyonder loses,
otherwise, that scenario can't be accepted.

Beyonder was the supreme power according to Shooter. (all Marvel)

Toaa/THOTI is now the supreme power, according to Starlin. (all Marvel)

This match is senseless because it brings into opposition the Writers themselves.

We can't just say, if the LT had TOAA's backing he wins,
because according to Shooter, Beyonder dominated the Marvelverse,
and if that was TOAA's creation, we'll then there you go with that drop of water.

On the other hand,
was the Beyonder a/the precursor to what TOAA is?

(after all, we never heard of Toaa) if anything the LT was like "God" back then.

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Earliest official mention of a power above the LT's
was in 1990 I believe:

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The Living Tribunal is said "his Power is Supreme in ALL the Multiverse"

"Even I, the Son of the mighiest of gods of all,
find it impossible to conceive of such levels of power
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"Tis a humbling thought to consider
how much greater still the power of the Creator of all Universes must be
than that of all of his creations combined
"

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The only one that had to accept the fact would in reality be the Chief Editor, to my knowlegde Shooter wasn't asked when Beyonder was retconned practically into nothingness in comparison to what he was before they just did it, furthermore master, Fangirl101 asked what would happen IF Beyonder found the Marvel Omniverse today ( the Beyonder hadn't existed prior but was introduced with the same power) then the Writer could effectivly write LT to defeat the Beyonder since that beyonder that would be used would be the creation of the current writer and not Shooters, hence the current writer can write the story pretty much as he likes. That includes writing LT to be above him. This isn't fact based it's from my point of view strictly theory.


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Editors>Writers yes


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In the real world yes.

From a fictionel standpoint the writers however are God.


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The only one that had to accept the fact would in reality be the Chief Editor,
to my knowlegde Shooter wasn't asked when Beyonder was retconned practically into nothingness
in comparison to what he was before they just did it

Shooter wasn't asked because Shooter wasn't Editor in-Chief.

Shooter left that position in 1987.

Beyonder was retconned in 1988.

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furthermore master, Fangirl101 asked what would happen IF Beyonder found the Marvel Omniverse today ( the Beyonder hadn't existed prior but was introduced with the same power) then the Writer could effectivly write LT to defeat the Beyonder since that beyonder that would be used would be the creation of the current writer and not Shooters, hence the current writer can write the story pretty much as he likes. That includes writing LT to be above him. This isn't fact based it's from my point of view strictly theory.

Well, of course Beyonder loses in that heavily stipulated scenario.

That's spite in fact.


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Originally posted by llagrok

Then don't use it as evidence Master

Because it's Thor's ramblings.

Evidence?

I was only showing the earliest acknowledgement of a power above the LT on panel.

Ramblings?

He didn't compare Odin to Celestials,
in fact,
he clearly says that Odin empowered by all Asgard/destroyer armor, still got stomped.

The LT is the Supreme entity, and there is only one above him.


Doesn't seem like rambling to me,
quite precise in fact. smile


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Shooter wasn't asked because Shooter wasn't Editor in-Chief.

Shooter left that position in 1987.

Beyonder was retconned in 1988.


Hence Shooters opinion on whether ore not his Character should be beaten today by LT would be meaningless, it's all up to the Chief Editor to decide if he wants that outcome. If Shooter was asked it would be out of politeness not because he has a real influence on the subject.

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Originally posted by Mr Master Well, of course Beyonder loses in that heavily stipulated scenario.

That's spite in fact. [/B]


That it is. Hence under these circumstances Beyonder would lose.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Evidence?

I was only showing the earliest acknowledgement of a power above the LT on panel.

Ramblings?

He didn't compare Odin to Celestials,
in fact,
he clearly says that Odin empowered by all Asgard/destroyer armor, still got stomped.

The LT is the Supreme entity, and there is only one above him.


Doesn't seem like rambling to me,
quite precise in fact. smile


Compared Odin to GALACTUS not Celestials.


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Does he say that on that page?

Because Galactus by Kubiks account is regarded to operate on a higher level then the Celestials.

But there is a difference between thor and kubik...


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Compared Odin to GALACTUS not Celestials.

Darn, the rest of that page, is not in my mind right now so I can find it,
but if he said that, let's hope he was talking about a hungry Galactus. stick out tongue

Then again, perhaps in those days, that was a plausibility.

But he was on point with the others though,
and that's what's of consequence concerning the LT.


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Darn, the rest of that page, is not in my mind right now so I can find it,
but if he said that, let's hope he was talking about a hungry Galactus. stick out tongue

Then again, perhaps in those days, that was a plausibility.

But he was on point with the others though,
and that's what's of consequence concerning the LT.


It sorts of ruins Thor's credibility.


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Hence Shooters opinion on whether ore not his Character should be beaten today by LT would be meaningless, it's all up to the Chief Editor to decide if he wants that outcome. If Shooter was asked it would be out of politeness not because he has a real influence on the subject.

So, this isn't even classic Beyonder then.

This is a character that never existed in Marvel and we're calling it Beyonder.

This is the thread starter's Beyonder.

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That it is. Hence under these circumstances Beyonder would lose.

Since this involves imaginary characters unrelated to Marvel,
I'm interested in this debate. smile


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It sorts of ruins Thor's credibility.

So he gave his pops more props than he should've,
let's not crucify the man.

Again,
he was 100% accurate describing everything else so ...
I'll give em the benefit of the doubt.


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So he gave his pops more props than he should've,
let's not crucify the man.

Again,
he was 100% accurate describing everything else so ...
I'll give em the benefit of the doubt.


I think he was 100% accurate in everything, including what he said about Odin.

Am I correct?


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I posted the scan before Odin says Galactus' power rivals my own


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I posted the scan before Odin says Galactus' power rivals my own


Awesome :O

Could you link me?


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I think he was 100% accurate in everything, including what he said about Odin.

Am I correct?

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I thought you said that dampened his credibility?

Are you messing with lla? laughing out loud


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Let me look thru some dvd-rs and scans


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