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So then, we arrived at the same conclusion Ut.
This ain't Shooter's Beyonder,
so I'm not interested in debating an imaginary Beyonder,
created in the image of the thread starter,
with stipulations purposely designed to force the real (if it were) classic Beyonder to lose.
The real Beyonder concerns, Shooter,
who would also have the significant authority of the writer,
but even better, of the Editor in-Chief also.
That's classic Beyonder.
This is why looking at this from that Marvel related perspective,
we quickly realize if it were classic Beyonder in this scenario,
it'd be a Stalemate against the supreme being of Marvel now.
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Last edited by Mr Master on May 28th, 2008 at 09:46 PM
Simple approach....since classic beyonder did get retconned, in the comics...( by the bosses at marvel..whatever)...then he wasn't all powerful ..in the comics.....he thought he was....big difference....
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Only Beyonder was only retconned
because the Editor-in-Chief/Writer who created him, had left his position.
He didn't think he was, he was all powerful.
And then he was retconned (de-powered)
because the next Editor in-Chief felt his power was too exaggerated.
What Beyonder became afterwards is, inconsequential,
since we're strictly dealing with the Pre-retcon version.
Not entirely you asked what if Shooter didn't want beyonder to lose? I replied that what Shooter wanted isn't important, we cannot in my opinion use shooter as argument to say that "Shooter didn't want Beyonder to lose therefore he cannot." Use his interview when he comments on what he liked/wanted to portray Beyonder as, but again Shooters writing stil concerning a Character shouldn't be used.
Not quiet the supreme being of Marvel has always been TOAA anyway that what I refere to as the supreme being. The problem I always see between the "Kirby avatar" and Toaa is the fact that Toaa is meant to be shown and thought of both as a fictionel Character but as a Real person as well, hence Toaa cannot imo be entire fictionel because marvel choosed to make this merging by showing Toaa in that form. Therefore imo the Supreme Being in marvel Toaa (the writer if you like) would always win against Beyonder, Toaa (Shooter in that case) created Beyonder and Toaa (Steve Englehart and Tom Defalco) depowered Beyonder.
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Last edited by Utrigita on May 28th, 2008 at 10:04 PM
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If you say so.
But I'll stick to what Marvel comics say,
and according to Marvel comics, Beyonder was Omniscient.
Do I really need to post 20 scans stating it so and Beyonder displaying it so?
Let me know.
TOAA (if anything) was Jim Shooter, I think you missed that.
That's in your unsupported opinion.
In Marvel, TOAA/God is simply the writers and artists.
The Editor in-Chief is their boss.
But for the most part,
writers and artists have free rain to do what they like,
so long as they adhere to continuity, sometimes they slip up of course.
Irrelevant, and unrelated, and so inconsequential.
Superman never literally pumped FEAR into the most powerful entity in DC.
Beyonder did.
Beyonder was never defeated under his PRE-Retcon power-set.
But believe what you wish.
When Jim Shooter, Editor in-Chief and Writer, (GOD!!!) left Marvel in 1987, then Beyonder was taken advantage of and de-powered by the New boss,
(uhh, literally) Editor in-Chief Tom DeFalco made Writer Englehart retcon him.
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