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Originally posted by Galan007
A clone with the memories of the REAL Thanos.

So like I said above: Give me a LEGITIMATE reason why I should doubt the word of a Thanosi.


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Except that clone statement fit exactly what was happening on panel. He came to that conclusion from his memory of that fight. He might not be the real Thanos but his statement reflect that fight. Odin was beating Thanos up and down and at no point did Thanos evenly returned the favor. Not once. Thanos was getting defeated. The fact that he didn't give up doesn't change the fact that Odin was beating him punch for punch. Captain America once stood up to Thanos with the IG when all else had died. Someone not giving up doesn't change the fact that they've been defeated in a fight. This was like Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson, except worst. Had there been a referee and judges, Odin would've been declared the winner by the number of shoots delivered. The only thing that affected Odin was that force prism and even that didn't last long.

And by the way, Blood and Thunder 12 was written by Jim Starlin. He's the one that had Odin wrecking Thanos.


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I should make more of those. Ironic how Odin beats Thanos' ass even harder after Thanos says that.


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Originally posted by quanchi112
If he was defeated he wouldn't have asked him to yield. It's that simple.



Odin maybe doubted if Thanos was defeated, but apparently Thanos didn't since his Thanosi admitted a previous defeat.

That would mean that Thanos knew he was beaten.


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Odin maybe doubted if Thanos was defeated, but apparently Thanos didn't since his Thanosi admitted a previous defeat.

That would mean that Thanos knew he was beaten.
I disagree and if Thanos knew he was defeated he wouldn't have risked his life against Odin to proceed further. Thanos was losing and maybe the clone considers that a loss in his mind but on panel Thanos wasn't defeated.


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I disagree and if Thanos knew he was defeated he wouldn't have risked his life against Odin to proceed further. Thanos was losing and maybe the clone considers that a loss in his mind but on panel Thanos wasn't defeated.



Why don't you admit Thanos is too macho for his own good and actually risked his life against Odin and Galactus against his own benefit.


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I disagree and if Thanos knew he was defeated he wouldn't have risked his life against Odin to proceed further. Thanos was losing and maybe the clone considers that a loss in his mind but on panel Thanos wasn't defeated.


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Why don't you admit Thanos is too macho for his own good and actually risked his life against Odin and Galactus against his own benefit.
Against Galactus he did and even stated so much but not against Odin. Thanos is very logical so admitting he might die isn't something he wouldn't do nor hasn't done when it's close to being a possibility.


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Originally posted by Bentley
Why don't you admit Thanos is too macho for his own good and actually risked his life against Odin and Galactus against his own benefi.


right. This is thanos. Why would he be afraid of death? The guy was trying to bone death when he was just a kid.


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Except that clone statement fit exactly what was happening on panel. He came to that conclusion from his memory of that fight. He might not be the real Thanos but his statement reflect that fight. Odin was beating Thanos up and down and at no point did Thanos evenly returned the favor. Not once. Thanos was getting defeated. The fact that he didn't give up doesn't change the fact that Odin was beating him punch for punch. Captain America once stood up to Thanos with the IG when all else had died. Someone not giving up doesn't change the fact that they've been defeated in a fight. This was like Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson, except worst. Had there been a referee and judges, Odin would've been declared the winner by the number of shoots delivered. The only thing that affected Odin was that force prism and even that didn't last long.

And by the way, Blood and Thunder 12 was written by Jim Starlin. He's the one that had Odin wrecking Thanos.


I'm really not clear on why you responded to my post. I agree Odin was more powerful and have always maintained that point view. Just like I've always maintained that Odin won that fight. Even if it wasn't finished, which beyond a shadow of a doubt it wasn't, he still got the better of the fight and you can award a victor. Make no mistake though, defeated wasn't the right word. That was the words of a clone. Thanos words and actions make it clear he wasn't defeated. Defeated implies a finality to a fight or a person conceding defeat.. NEITHER of which happened here. There are no two ways about that nor around that fact.

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Odin maybe doubted if Thanos was defeated, but apparently Thanos didn't since his Thanosi admitted a previous defeat.

That would mean that Thanos knew he was beaten.


He has his memories of the fight which doesn't mean that includes his feelings on the fight. If I had ONLY the memories of the fight.. one might come to the conclusion that Thanos was defeated. However, the real thanos clearly didn't feel that way as we saw in the canon comic. So clearly this is where is being a clone comes into play. Defeated was not the right word but it did illustrate the point that Odin is 1-0 vs Thanos. Judges decision is still a win... but the fight wasn't over.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's pretty much what you're doing with actual evidence, i.e., Thanos toppling Tyrant (not Odin) and Tyrant not one-shotting Gladiator, Surfer, etc. (Odin did).

Stop acting like absence of evidence is evidence of absence. In Tears of the Gods, the amped Thanosi wasn't drawing admissions of superiority/defeat from Thor either despite railing him something fierce before Firelord arrived with the Odinarmor. The opposite, in fact. Does that mean anything? No.

All your prevarications change nothing. And they're doubly witless since you're focusing on absence of character statements, as if character statements somehow trump actual showings.

Warming yourself at night with the thought that at least Thanos never admitted defeat during his a$$-kicking doesn't render that complete non-fact meaningful in any probative way. Embrace your safety blanket for what it is: denial. But don't pretend it's evidence.


Just because you can't counter any of the points I listed one by one which are ACTUALLY IN EVIDENCE dont' try and red herring on me. You're the one using facts not in evidence as the basis for your argument. EVERY single thing I listed is backed up by either on panel narration or action. It's not my speculation.. those things listed happened.

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I'm really not clear on why you responded to my post. I agree Odin was more powerful and have always maintained that point view. Just like I've always maintained that Odin won that fight. Even if it wasn't finished, which beyond a shadow of a doubt it wasn't, he still got the better of the fight and you can award a victor. Make no mistake though, defeated wasn't the right word. That was the words of a clone. Thanos words and actions make it clear he wasn't defeated. Defeated implies a finality to a fight or a person conceding defeat.. NEITHER of which happened here. There are no two ways about that nor around that fact.


At which point did Thanos even moved Odin off his feet? At what point did Odin look even battered? You can't draw a conclusion from that entire fight that Odin won? He that fight gone on without interruption, what would have happened? Are saying Thanos wouldn't have ended up on the floor or admitted defeat? If he couldn't even move Odin how is Odin going to get defeated? Him being arrogant doesn't change the fact that he still wouldn't do shit to Odin had the fight continued.


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At which point did Thanos even moved Odin off his feet? At what point did Odin look even battered? You can't draw a conclusion from that entire fight that Odin won? He that fight gone on without interruption, what would have happened? Are saying Thanos wouldn't have ended up on the floor or admitted defeat? If he couldn't even move Odin how is Odin going to get defeated? Him being arrogant doesn't change the fact that he still wouldn't do shit to Odin had the fight continued.


Did you even read my post... doesn't seem like you did... try again...

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Just because you can't counter any of the points I listed one by one which are ACTUALLY IN EVIDENCE dont' try and red herring on me. You're the one using facts not in evidence as the basis for your argument. EVERY single thing I listed is backed up by either on panel narration or action. It's not my speculation.. those things listed happened.
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Did you even read my post... doesn't seem like you did... try again...
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Did you even read my post... doesn't seem like you did... try again...


So if defeat isn't the word to describe what happened, which word would you use? Thanos was humiliated? He was pimped? Abused? Beaten up? Butt raped?


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So if defeat isn't the word to describe what happened, which word would you use? Thanos was humiliated? He was pimped? Abused? Beaten up? Butt raped?
Contradictory to Odin's respect for him. Interesting theories.


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Contradictory to Odin's respect for him. Interesting theories.


Contradictory to the asswhooping Odin gave him. Interesting bullshit.


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He has his memories of the fight which doesn't mean that includes his feelings on the fight. If I had ONLY the memories of the fight.. one might come to the conclusion that Thanos was defeated. However, the real thanos clearly didn't feel that way as we saw in the canon comic. So clearly this is where is being a clone comes into play. Defeated was not the right word but it did illustrate the point that Odin is 1-0 vs Thanos. Judges decision is still a win... but the fight wasn't over.



Mmmmh... Can you prove that the memory doesn't include feelings? As far as I know it's absurd to divide memory and feeling...


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Contradictory to the asswhooping Odin gave him. Interesting bullshit.
If Odin just crushed him he wouldn't respect him. It's pretty straight forward or so I thought.


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