Superman being faster than Sentry is arguable, they both have the ability to travel faster than light speed.
Superman when facing Doomsday Rex (whom stopped his beating heart I must add) had a full blown conversation. I think Lois could have gone to the ladies room and back before he finished dichotomizing Rex.
So am I to assume that since Superman who obviously beat Rex using superior speed, yet all the while speaking is any different than when Sentry and the Hulk chatted it up while throwing down?
I just read someone say that The Hulk couldn't beat anyone on Supermans level, yet it has been seen on three seperate occasions.
1. Hyperion
2. Gladiator
3. Sentry
Look here where Superman battles conduit, they seem to be moving in slow mode, as they have a full conversation.
Superman from like 2000 is now superman in 2008 huh,he gets stronger every second of every day from solar energy absorption the difference in speed and power between even early 2000s superman and current superman is ridiculous,when sentry starts flying to different galaxies in a couple panels it will start being arguable that hes as fast as superman.
Superman couldn't move at light-speed up until the year 2000. Don't expect to find any scans of Pre-Heavens Ladder Superman moving anywhere near light-speed.
Oh, I thought you believed that the Superman that fought Conduit could at light-speed. You know, because you mentioned he wasn't moving at light-speed during the fight.
I was under the impression that in the year 2000, Superman could move at near light speed.
Even if he could not move this fast, Superman in any era moved far faster than The Hulk.
Sentry is many times faster than the Hulk as well, but as seen in their battle it didn't help him as much as many people believed it to.
I recall many posters saying that Sentry was going to turn King Hulk to jello, but quickly retracted once the battle was over, and they were found looking less than they thought they were.
After the Hulk did so well against the Sentry people here on KMC attempted to call it a low feat, as they believed Sentry was now a weak hero.
Sentry even though pwning the Collective, effortlessly crushing Terrax, ripping Dr. Doom out of his armor (I wonder how well Superman would have done) while under fire from ancient magic was still not enough to convince many Hulk haters that he (Sentry) is on the level.
The Hulk has beaten Hyperion who pushed Gladiator, to his limits, and that only Gladiators superior martial skills saved him from the fight being a stalemate. Hulk also beat Gladiator, who is also a speedster in his own right.
Sorry to burst that bubble but, The Hulk would not instantly beat Superman. It would be the hardest fight that the Hulk ever saw. It would pretty much resemble the battle that Superman had with Doomsday, or the Hulk had with Sentry.
I see a 50/100 split for either. Neither of these guys are light weights, and could do serious harm to each other.
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Good post but trust me they will post something saying pis because they fail to realize that superman struggles against brutes and hulk has done good against people that have greater speed or equal speed as superman.
You do know that the only speed that was quoted through that entire race that superman and flash had was 2000 mps and it did say that they were accelerating but isnt 2001 mps accelerating. There wasnt anything in that entire race that showed them even going close to the speed of light let alone increasing there speed all the way up to 3000 mps. Superman kept up but he kept up with a flash that was simply holding back and could have easily ran circles around him while he was going 2000 mps.
I have a feeling that will happen as well, but it is because many people fail to see each characters strengths.
Though Superman like Thor have light years of versatility over King Hulk, Bruce has an X-factor, he is always changing, and is never at the same level, he not only grows stronger but he heals faster, and toughens up more as the fight continues.
These are things that should be taken into account. After all he isn't the Abomination who is easily defeated by a stronger force.
I agree with everything that you said but they also dont realize that hulk didnt just increase in strength as wwh hulk, his speed was increased to unknown levels which was stated throughout the comic. I do agree thor has light years of versatality over hulk but superman isnt comparable to mjolnir. Superman weapons which is heat vision and ice breath again would be nothing but a nuisance to a character like the hulk, especially wwh.
Its hard to convince people that think that a character can beat everyone with a speed blitz but he fail to beat much weaker people in throughout his career. Just look at the Superman vs odin fight going on, people in there is basically saying that superman could beat odin due to a speed blitz and that is just ridiculous.
Superman only option in order to get a win would be to confront hulk in h2h combat and superman would get overwhelmed everytime because physically hulk is>>Superman.
It's funny that so many people are so quick to say Superman 10/10 against WWH. Even though a pissed off WWH stalemated classic Juggernaut and even dented his armor. And this isn't even the same level of P.O.ed that he was utilizing against the Mighty/New Avengers or Sentry or at the end of 'Wrld War Hulk.' I wonder if ANY of those same people would say that Superman vs. classic Juggernaut would be 10/10 or even close to 10/10.
If they did, this entire forum (barring the Superman fanboys) would point and laugh.
They would say superman would win 10/10 against juggernaut because they dont think that anyone could touch superman due to his speed and they think that juggernaut is to slow when many at his speed has tagged and almost killed superman. A fight with them has already taken place with superman getting a majority. Some even said that superman could ko juggernaut and others just say that superman win through outright sheer speed and bfr juggernaut without juggernaut even blinking.
I honestly dont think that superman has a day in hell of beating juggernaut and wwh would get a good majority over superman. These two are basically some of the only bricks that I would give a majority over superman.
Juggernaut without bfr 10/10 over supes
WWh without bfr 8/10 over supes
The speed blitz argument is just ridiculous and out of character and comic for superman.
Speed-blitz beat Mongul. And that was AFTER Superman had Mongul exhaust himself. As far as I see, neither WWH nor classic Juggernaut succumb to fatigue. I doubt they'd ever use speed-blitz as an argument, carver9. That theory would have holes the size of Texas in it.
BFR is something different altogether. But then again, theoretically, Nightcrawler could beat WWH and classic Juggernaut with BFR. Straight up knockout for either of these two? I'd like to see their arguments before passing judgment...
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