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Originally posted by namorsubby
deathstroke: physically superior, mentally superior.

deathstroke FTW about 10/10

deathstroke has no feats that put his strength above caps. its most likly the opposite.

And yea if he's so good then how can Batman stalemate him for along time without going down. yea he fights teams based on prep and trickery not straight up him against the team.

i'm not sure who would win but i'm just saying that he hasnt shown higher strength then steve

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That didnt stop him from beating Batman after a long fight were he was severly messed up and from what Batman said in JLA/Avengers a fight between him and Cap would go the same way.

batman said a fight between him and cap would be the same as him and slade?

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Impressive but there is prep there so I think we should consider that.

prep for flash. not prep for green arrow, hawkman, zatanna, black canary (unless you count the bag), the atom and kyle rayner.

and he's beaten plenty of people before without prep.

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So is Cap

never said he wasn't, just saying slade is comparable if not better...

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That point is redundant anyway because Cap has the SSS in this thread. I think hes as skillful as Batman without SSS it would be a draw.

i disagree.

hold on, this is pure h2h, so steve doesn't get a shield?

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone

That point is redundant anyway because Cap has the SSS in this thread. I think hes as skillful as Batman without SSS it would be a draw.

No he wouldn't although he is just as skilled. Steve is really small and weak without SSS

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batman said a fight between him and cap would be the same as him and slade?

prep for flash. not prep for green arrow, hawkman, zatanna, black canary (unless you count the bag), the atom and kyle rayner.

hold on, this is pure h2h, so steve doesn't get a shield?

well him beating kyle seems really PIS unless he tricked him

and one is h2h so im guessing not, the other is standard

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well him beating kyle seems really PIS unless he tricked him

and one is h2h so im guessing not, the other is standard

kyle was an idiot. stupidity isn't really much of an excuse though, imo...

i'm not claiming he beat a powerful gl, but he did disable him because of kyle's stupidity...

and kyle was the last one to face slade. green arrow, canary, flash, hawkman et al were already down when slade went up against kyle.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That didnt stop him from beating Batman after a long fight were he was severly messed up and from what Batman said in JLA/Avengers a fight between him and Cap would go the same way.

To be fair to Slade their first fight wasn't very long at all. Batman got a few very good connections in before Slade beat the hell out of him. Another time they fought Batman got the jump on him and Slade was far more concerned with assassinating his target than fighting batman. In fact he floored batman initially beforehand and left him to go off and finish his mission, only for Bruce to recover and attack him again.

Batman clearly shows a much higher level of skill in their fights though. Cap would also show a higher level of skill too.

Batman said the fight between him and Cap would go on for a very long time. Batman and Slade's H2H fight did not.

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deathstroke has taken on half the justice league (including the flash, green lantern kyle, and zatanna). he's stomped the likes of arsenal, nightwing and robin. he beat both black canary and green arrow at the same time.

he's at least as skilled, imo.

He does that because his brain functions at a far superior level to his opponents. He is several steps ahead of them all the time.

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batman said a fight between him and cap would be the same as him and slade?

Batman said Cap could beat him after a long fight. The writer clarfied this was Batman saying Cap was better than him looking at what the writer said and what Batman said we can say that Batman is saying that Cap would beat him after a long fight, this is what happened when Batman fought Deathstroke.

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prep for flash. not prep for green arrow, hawkman, zatanna, black canary (unless you count the bag), the atom and kyle rayner.

Yeah im counting the bag I dont think thats standard equipment
and he's beaten plenty of people before without prep.

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never said he wasn't, just saying slade is comparable if not better...

I dont think you're going to be able to prove Slade is better tactically.

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i disagree.

With what exactly point being redundant or Cap being as skilled?

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hold on, this is pure h2h, so steve doesn't get a shield?

In the second stipulation yes.

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Batman said Cap could beat him after a long fight. The writer clarfied this was Batman saying Cap was better than him looking at what the writer said and what Batman said we can say that Batman is saying that Cap would beat him after a long fight, this is what happened when Batman fought Deathstroke.

Except Batman and Slade's fights aren't very long at all.Slade beats him rather quickly. sad

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He does that because his brain functions at a far superior level to his opponents. He is several steps ahead of them all the time.

aye, that's what i've been saying...

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Batman said Cap could beat him after a long fight. The writer clarfied this was Batman saying Cap was better than him looking at what the writer said and what Batman said we can say that Batman is saying that Cap would beat him after a long fight, this is what happened when Batman fought Deathstroke.

that's reaching, imo... slade and cap both bring different things to a fight...

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Yeah im counting the bag I dont think thats standard equipment

makes no difference to me, slade has beaten her before in pure h2h anyways...

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I dont think you're going to be able to prove Slade is better tactically.

i wasn't trying to. i was just saying he's on cap's level...

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With what exactly point being redundant or Cap being as skilled?

the skill part.

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In the second stipulation yes.

ah, just read it...

with full equipment, i think cap can take 3 or 4 out of ten...

purely h2h, i think slade is simply too fast for him, but i'd give cap 3 or 4 again...

generally, slade 6/10, imo... maybe 7, but its hard to be too hard on cap...

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aye, that's what i've been saying...

My bad. I thought you were using it to argue for Slade being the better fighter.

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My bad. I thought you were using it to argue for Slade being the better fighter.

lol, in a general sense, yes, because it adds to his repertoire, but not in the sense that it makes him more skilled...

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Except Batman and Slade's fights aren't very long at all.Slade beats him rather quickly.

The fight im refering to lasted quite a long time for a comic fight.

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honestly, I think slade is a great fighter, if not one of the best but I just give cap the nods on this. Its hard to find people that could out fight cap without some kind of plot. I honestly think cap is just built to take out slade. This is a fight that slade wouldnt want to get in even though there is no one next to him with his skill.

I can see cap whipping that ass, especially if he has his shield. Cap is slade but I think he's a better version of him.

Cap 7/10

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Originally posted by Raoul

that's reaching, imo... slade and cap both bring different things to a fight...

With all due respect how have you proven that with evidence apart fom just saying he does?

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makes no difference to me, slade has beaten her before in pure h2h anyways...

I think the point is he couldnt beat all those guys together without prep. Still impressive though,

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the skill part.

Ok could you care to prove it please.

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ah, just read it...

with full equipment, i think cap can take 3 or 4 out of ten...

purely h2h, i think slade is simply too fast for him, but i'd give cap 3 or 4 again...

generally, slade 6/10, imo... maybe 7, but its hard to be too hard on cap...

The only reason why I can see DS getting a majority is because of his HF so you could say DS 6/10.

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With all due respect how have you proven that with evidence apart fom just saying he does?

slade has speed that cap doesn't have, cap has stamina and strength that slade doesn't have. it's common knowledge isn't it?

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I think the point is he couldnt beat all those guys together without prep. Still impressive though

he beat atom, hawkman, zatanna, green arrow and kyle rayner without prep. thats impressive.

he's beaten canary before without prep. he's beaten canary and green arrow at the same time without prep.

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Ok could you care to prove it please.

i gave examples of who he's beaten. what else do you want?

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The only reason why I can see DS getting a majority is because of his HF so you could say DS 6/10.

his speed?

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I can see where this is heading, better forget it. Oh and I was talking about Batman being more skilled than Cap, anyway your feats arent conclusive proof hes more skillful (Deathstroke) but I dont think it a stretch to say hes just as skillful.

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I can see where this is heading, better forget it.

if you wanted me to post scans, you should have just asked...

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