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Soljer
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Originally posted by Mindset
How so?

You say DS and MNer healing is comparable to Deadpool's, yet Deadpool has better healing feats by far.


What's your point?

Everything's comparable. You can compare nigh-infinitesimal fractions to nigh-infinite numbers if you like. smile.


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What's your point?

Everything's comparable. You can compare nigh-infinitesimal fractions to nigh-infinite numbers if you like. smile.
Which is my point, if you use comparable like that there's no point in saying it.

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Which is my point, if you use comparable like that there's no point in saying it.


I find you comparable to Hitler.


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I am Hitler


Hence you being comparable.


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Originally posted by shiv
Five bullets fired WITHIN 1 second.



Color me unimpressed.

Cap with meta gloves blocks random beams.
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?...ers17004yb3.jpg

Cap dodges beams under zero gravity.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?...6rougherpv4.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?...8rougherbg7.jpg

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Originally posted by Daredevil1
Prove this claim. I said he doesn't regenerate like Deadpool because of DS feats in healing. No were was I saying he couldn't Regen as a high end feat which was the one that you used.

Prove his healing got jacked up.


actually, U said (and Im re-posting this for the SECOND time):

quote:
Slade can't even regenerate his eye and has even gotten a fever before.


which moves into how U know NOTHING about Slade, to whit: the serum (aka A.C.T.H.) that he was given back in his army days was all but eliminated by the introduction of a highly advanced & more modern truth-inducing formula ( hat he recieved 4 doses of) back in DS #8, and over time started to make him weaker, slower & even removed his HF.......so much so that he ended up suffering a serious heart atk and falling into a deep coma (this was DS #16). his body was then stole & taken to Chesire (DS #17), and he was brought back in some extreme chemical procedure, the execution of which the doctor who performed it didnt know wat the long-range effects would be.

so then we bounce along thru his title, and we get to #43 when Slade is on the run for killing a (fake) senator and trying to assassinate the Prez. hes trackd down & atk'd by Hawkman who tries to keep him from resisting being brought in by flying high in the sky, but DS wouldnt have it so he impales himself on HMs wrist-blade and then falls some 15-odd stories to his apparent death.......

.......except in the very next ish (#44), as hes on the coroners table about to be cut open by Sarge Steel & the US Govt, the incisions made into his body (which had NO lifesigns NOR pulse/respiration or ANYTHING) close up and he starts breathing again. then he breaks free and runs off acting insane.

for brevity sake I wont go into the accident that made him possibly IMMORTAL, but either way there U have it: proof that DS had his HF amp'd, as well as solid evidence that U DONT know about Slade. and oh yea, when Slade "had that fever", it was likely during the time he was LOSING his powers.


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Originally posted by Daredevil1
The fact that you don't even know what your claiming when typing shows the type of level you go down to. smile


I dont know wat Im "claiming" since U accused me of 2 different things; sorry, but while Im gifted w/many abilities Im afraid that mind-reading isnt 1 of them.




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Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, but what range is he using?


Superman's speed is comparable to Flash's, except Flash can go way faster than him.


It depends on the context. Superman's speed can be comparable to Flash's for another's practical purpose. But Superman's speed is not comparable to Flash's for his own practical purpose. Now since both CA and Cass are peak human in speed then it is obvious their difference in speed is much much smaller than a Superman and a Flash. Neither one will strike faster than the other can perceive or respond to. That is why their speeds are comparable.

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^ that be pretty post

Still Steve


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Originally posted by Daredevil1
Color me unimpressed.

Cap with meta gloves blocks random beams.
http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?...ers17004yb3.jpg

Cap dodges beams under zero gravity.
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?...6rougherpv4.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?...8rougherbg7.jpg


The first scan shows concussive beams (not light speed at all). Similar to Cyclop's blasts.

The latter scans obviously shows CA moving out of the way of the aim. There is no dodging after the fire here at all.
The lasers didn't fire first and he dodged second (this would be PIS). Reading through the second and third pages makes it obvious ("But if I timed their firing period just right...")

Don't get me wrong, CA is fast as hell just to do what he did. But don't convince yourself that CA can move as fast as light. Because you would be stupid if you did.

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Originally posted by h1a8
It depends on the context. Superman's speed can be comparable to Flash's for another's practical purpose. But Superman's speed is not comparable to Flash's for his own practical purpose. Now since both CA and Cass are peak human in speed then it is obvious their difference in speed is much much smaller than a Superman and a Flash. Neither one will strike faster than the other can perceive or respond to. That is why their speeds are comparable.
No one was talking about their speeds being comparable...did you even know what I was talking about? confused

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Originally posted by Mindset
No one was talking about their speeds being comparable...did you even know what I was talking about? confused


Sorry. Maybe I should learn to read everything first before commenting.
I thought you all were referring to CA and Cass's speed being comparable. Never mind what I said then.

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In the first scan we see CA evading concussive blasts fired at split second intervals.

http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?...ers17004yb3.jpg

He has custom metal gauntlets to aid him in this exercise.


The dialogue does not match the artwork.
Cap And IM apparently can Each speak a full sentence in the time it takes CA to raise/lower his arm to deflect each split second blast.

In the second [Agility] scenario:
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?...6rougherpv4.jpg
Catwoman does that without a shield. Shadow Thief can do that blindfolded.

In the firing squad feat CC has no gauntlets or shield and she evades five separate attacks within one second.

In the top panel the timing is established observe the progress each round makes as it leaves the chamber.

Watch the red dots and The ballistics

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Originally posted by h1a8
The first scan shows concussive beams (not light speed at all). Similar to Cyclop's blasts.

The latter scans obviously shows CA moving out of the way of the aim. There is no dodging after the fire here at all.
The lasers didn't fire first and he dodged second (this would be PIS). Reading through the second and third pages makes it obvious ("But if I timed their firing period just right...")

Don't get me wrong, CA is fast as hell just to do what he did. But don't convince yourself that CA can move as fast as light. Because you would be stupid if you did.



And were did I say light speed. You would be stupid for assuming. But the feat is greater then Cass bullet feats.

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Originally posted by shiv
In the first scan we see CA evading concussive blasts fired at split second intervals.

http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?...ers17004yb3.jpg

He has custom metal gauntlets to aid him in this exercise.


The dialogue does not match the artwork.
Cap And IM apparently can Each speak a full sentence in the time it takes CA to raise/lower his arm to deflect each split second blast.

In the second [Agility] scenario:
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?...6rougherpv4.jpg
Catwoman does that without a shield. Shadow Thief can do that blindfolded.

In the firing squad feat CC has no gauntlets or shield and she evades five separate attacks within one second.

In the top panel the timing is established observe the progress each round makes as it leaves the chamber.

Watch the red dots and The ballistics



Split second "random intervals". The guantlets only help so they don't damage his hand. They don't do anything else.

Yeah show me Catwoman dodging beams under "zero gravity". Lets see her doing that.

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The BG ones all shes doing is using her body language to dodge the aim. The first one she dodged before it was fired. So on and so fourth.

Without her body reading she has been shot by a cyborg showing its mainly her body reading that she uses to dodge then her speed.

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Incorrect. Her eyes [pupils] focus and refocus on the moving shells

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Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



actually, U said (and Im re-posting this for the SECOND time):



which moves into how U know NOTHING about Slade, to whit: the serum (aka A.C.T.H.) that he was given back in his army days was all but eliminated by the introduction of a highly advanced & more modern truth-inducing formula ( hat he recieved 4 doses of) back in DS #8, and over time started to make him weaker, slower & even removed his HF.......so much so that he ended up suffering a serious heart atk and falling into a deep coma (this was DS #16). his body was then stole & taken to Chesire (DS #17), and he was brought back in some extreme chemical procedure, the execution of which the doctor who performed it didnt know wat the long-range effects would be.

so then we bounce along thru his title, and we get to #43 when Slade is on the run for killing a (fake) senator and trying to assassinate the Prez. hes trackd down & atk'd by Hawkman who tries to keep him from resisting being brought in by flying high in the sky, but DS wouldnt have it so he impales himself on HMs wrist-blade and then falls some 15-odd stories to his apparent death.......

.......except in the very next ish (#44), as hes on the coroners table about to be cut open by Sarge Steel & the US Govt, the incisions made into his body (which had NO lifesigns NOR pulse/respiration or ANYTHING) close up and he starts breathing again. then he breaks free and runs off acting insane.

for brevity sake I wont go into the accident that made him possibly IMMORTAL, but either way there U have it: proof that DS had his HF amp'd, as well as solid evidence that U DONT know about Slade. and oh yea, when Slade "had that fever", it was likely during the time he was LOSING his powers.




I dont know wat Im "claiming" since U accused me of 2 different things; sorry, but while Im gifted w/many abilities Im afraid that mind-reading isnt 1 of them.




Tazer



You still didn't point out the exact issue and were it states his healing is amped??? What title/issue number.

Second Slade himself stated his powers never left from the truth serum in the military he only lied. That he still is Deathstroke as seen here.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/802/ntt04416bj3.jpg

This was after he was shot and couldn't regenerate his eye. Second he also references he is glad he is enhanced as he was fighting Batman but his healing could only do so much in that as well. Those other feats are other feats.

Now which issue does it specifically say his healing is amped up?? Or is this just your assumption.

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Also just read 44. No were does it states his healing was amped. Are you assuming without proof.

Don't get me wrong they said he's always been able to heal. Thats why that one guy wasn't impressed with his healing of the incision done by the laser. But he was impressed with him healing from the Dead.

Which mind you Captain America has done when proclaimed dead as he did it too.

Just different writers for Slade/Cap portray there healing on different levels. Doesn't mean either of there healings were amped up.

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You still didn't point out the exact issue and were it states his healing is amped??? What title/issue number.


ok, since I need to spell this out 4 ya: the effects of ACTH in his system were apparently ramped up when they were reactivated by Chesire & her crew, as earlier in the run he states that he could heal from any NON-LETHAL wound........

Id say falling 15-stories & landing flat on yur face would constitue a LETHAL wound, wouldnt U?? especially considering he *was* pronounced dead at the scene.

also, U never asked for me to provide the issue where it STATES this, only to show that it had been done. I have done this.


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Second Slade himself stated his powers never left from the truth serum in the military he only lied. That he still is Deathstroke as seen here.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/802/ntt04416bj3.jpg

This was after he was shot and couldn't regenerate his eye.


actually, the above wouldve been BEFORE he was shot (as it was his wife who took his eye), and a further proof that his ability to heal had been ramped up a *just* a notch.

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Second he also references he is glad he is enhanced as he was fighting Batman but his healing could only do so much in that as well. Those other feats are other feats.


and note on that SAME PAGE he also says that he can heal from virtually any NON-LETHAL wound......not *all*.

apparently his eye is was about the limit of said ability, whereas AFTER he had been amped by Chesire he could even re-grow brain matter (bio-tip: IRL neither the brain nor the eyes regrow when severely dmg'd) like wat happend to him in DS #60.


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Now which issue does it specifically say his healing is amped up?? Or is this just your assumption.


its not an assumption, but proven fact.




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