I'd even put Ghost Marnie and Governor Burrell on that list, though the latter more for disappointment. I was hoping the first human properly shown schooling vampires would last a little longer, go out with a bang.
Guess they don't have the end game planned out all too well.
True, but I still feel that he pointlessly changed for the worst. They may of had their reasons for it, at the end of the day its still an unimpressive death.
Nothing a dev says accounts for taking the whole season to actually do something, the hype he was given for half a season to do nothing with, or his complete character change.
Like I said, Russell did have the most epic moments and impact of anyone on the show. Its the let down of that season that hurts his character in my eyes.
If Russell came back his as his normal self with the anger of Talbot's death, being twice betrayed by Eric (Talbot and the Sun), being trapped for a year by Eric and Bill, and most of all being pushed into madness from not feeding for a year like what everyone feared.. well there would be no disappointments, just more epicness.
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I do battlezones while you troll. That's all you ever will be.
There is no proof he was amped off V. You need to present evidence to support your claim. That's how debating works.
Russell was no such thing in season 5. He overpowered and easily killed Roman. Salome stated he was the only one powerful enough to do so.
He then goes on to easily own Eric Northman. You know that guy who causally just drained Warlow to achieve his goals.
We next wee Russell denying Salome until he has enough and physically owns her along with Nora while showing off his superiority to a room full of powerful vampires.
Warlow had his hands full with Bill as he was impaled and almost staked. He was only saved due to his lack of entry into the home aka Warlow was lucky.
Eric dominated Warlow as well. Whoops.
I never said the older vampire always loses I said a younger vampire can kill an older one. We also take into account their history, feats, and personality.
You want to ignore everything and say Warlow wins. You said he easily dominates vampires. He doesn't. He relied on his faerie powers just like I said he did. He also was damaged and rocked by Bill despite the huge age gap.
Russell treated Bill like a scab. Warlow was tackled, impaled, and almost staked by Bill Compton.
I am glad he was not staked because his greatest humiliation was yet to come.
You then went from baseless claim to baseless claim. You said the dimension amped his strength without proof. It actually defied common sense. People laughed. Then you said he was amped off of V blood days later despite while being fed to be very weak at that moment as well. Another baseless claim because you are an awful debater. You don't know how to debate and think spouting nonsense you can't prove is of merit.
Bill taking him on, tackling him, allowing for Sookie to escape, impaling him by catching him midblitz with an attack, and finally by showing the speed to almost stake him but being denied only because he can not enter a home without being invited in.
Context. Matters.
Niall then overpowered him by Fae strength alone while Jason has the time to stake him. Unbelievably pathetic. True Blood website also agrees. You are just a fanboy. That's all you ever will be. You won't ever debate someone like a man in a battlezone either.
Russell wins. Better feats, more ruthless than the hybrid who tosses people in a basement, and better showings against common opponents.
Russell beats the desperate loser who waited over five thousand years in hiding to get staked by Jason Stackhouse.
Russell just used him as a meat shield after he discerned Faerie information from him.
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The season overall's main arc was kind of all over the place but every scene of Russell's was magic in season 5. They had to change him temporarily as he they needed a reason why he did not just kill Bill or Eric when we know that could not happen. Russell is beyond them so they needed a reason why he wouldn't just kill them when he could have so easily.
In the end we find out he goes back to his own selfish ways. He defies the Authority as his patience wears thin. You see Russell defy Salome more in every scene until he snaps on her. In the end Russell is about himself. That's always been true about the character.
His death was glorious. It showed off his power, gave a reason why he could die since without the Fae attacking him and him lowering his guard that would not have been possible.
Beat death for a season antagonist yet IMO. That's why he is the top dog still to this day. You hear people still say he was the greatest part of the show. He was.
He was pulling a Jesus. Tired of the bloodshed he was willing to die for the vampires sins.
I know why, but it was that exact reason which put a thorn in my paw. Pointless character 180's are rarely done well. And thats my second issue, that it took all the hype and lapdogness for him to finally be Russell.. for one episode at the end. If they kept up the "In the end Russell is about himself" thing the season would have been greater.
Eh, I dont see 'impressive' when I think of that death scene. The terminator walk? That was for sure. Getting owned (yes, lower guard) by Eric was not how a supercharged ancient vampire should have died. It may have been the best death, mostly because True Blood seems to be really bad at killing off antagonists.
One of if not 'the' best character. Doesnt mean these things don't bring him down a notch. Well, at least in my eyes :T And I'm not saying anything about Warlow as he did the exact same things above I mentioned about Russell, dialled up to 11..
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Lol at me you debating and me trolling. Look at who's talking. The guy who got nominated as the top fanboyish troll on 2 different forums, and got banned on a third. You're the very definition of hypocrite.
Wrong. Eric owned Russell 2 different times. First he outsped him in "Fresh Blood", then he outright killed a faerie-high Russell in "Save Yourself". Far more pathetic showings compared to Warlow needing to be magic-chained to a statue for Eric to stand a chance against him.
Wrong, Warlow treated him as a nuisance. The impalement had no effect on him. He kicked Bill off like a dog. Bill was no match for him without the Lilith-powers.
Nope, I merely pointed out that Niall was fed the blood before being thrown there. V's effects last depending on the age-based quality of the vampire from which it was obtained. I didn't even say that the dimension literally amped Niall'strength, because otherwise he wouldn't have needed Sookie/Jason's help to come out. That dimension was what held Warlow for 20 years, so logically its energy is the only thing capable of holding him back while Jason stakes him. You twisted my words out of context, just like you do with everyone you debate against.
Warlow beats the guy who got pwned and humiliated by Sookie Stackhouse.
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As opposed to the guy who know one really knows on multiple forums. Unlike you I actually battlezone. You just chirp. You lack guts and actual debating skill.
So you are back to ignoring the context of why it happened. The series creators explained it. You're a troll and hide from the context. Russell owned him after he staked Roman. Warlow never owned Eric.
Repeating yourself while ignoring the context of their fight isn't debating. You think it is but then again who cares no one knows who you are, killer. Bill tackled him, impaled him, and almost staked a vampire who was over 5,000 years older than him.
Hahaha. More proof you don't understand what is going on. That was not Niall's Fae magic it was the dimensional portal.
Russell raped Bill in combat. Bill almost killed Warlow and he was only saved by a house. Funniest part is his most embarrassing showing came after. When Niall overpowered an older vampire than he is a Fae.
Russell's strength shits all over Niall's.
Russell slaps his head off or stakes him like he did Roman.
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Well, he was annoyed initially due to events to flip in the first place. He did not with a clear mind think I will go murder a tv anchor and be the target of the Authority and the human population.
When Russell gets annoyed people and vampires die. Take the Magister for instance. He lost his cool and just killed him on the spot. This has always been Russell.
He was being attacked by over twenty Fae, and died via speed blitz over someone faster than a bullet via weakness exploitation after he lowered his guard. I mean wtf else do you want to hear. He is not like Ganondorf and loses in a fair one on one sword fight at the end.
Warlow never had the feats, the sheer villainy, the screen presence, or the sheer charm of Russell Edgington. Russell survived his first season as antagonist. Only one to do so yet. That says something.
It was those annoyed moments that I was looking forward to, the normal Russell edged on by revenge and Fae lust. Those were initial hopes for that season.
Personally, what do you think about him being 'lapdog-Russ' instead of that?
As said the terminator walk was cool. The extremely short lived Supercharge being ended by his physical inferior is not as epic. You mentioned Ganondorf so to no get into an off-topic about him, it was a physical equal with weakness exploitation lasting 4 rounds. I'd prefer if this Russell wasn't so easily killed off, like him being amped up meant nothing when it should be a major point.
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He ended up that way. You need to build to something towards the end not start out in that manner right out of the gate.
Russell defied her more and more every scene. He tried to play nice but outside Lilith's blood he basically did what he wanted when he wanted.
He lowered his guard. Using a speed blitz via weakness exploitation to kill him in this manner while fighting 20 plus opponents really highlighted his formidability if nothing else.
Link is far less powerful and beat him straight up. Link did not need to catch him off guard he just flat out beat him. Link was better than the villain unlike Eric who needed the ideal situation to achieve his goal. Certain villains are beyond their heroes and need help as they cant beat them straight up unlike Ganondorf.
Russell was not amped in that scene. He was high, lowered his guard, and being poured into by a bunch of Faeries.
But they were building as half the season everyone was hyping up his maniacal return, and it took until his last episode to do something. And you're talking about a slow build up for someone who, besides being built up, admitted to being a lapdog. He shouldnt have been playing nice unless he was doing it for a proper reason.
Physically, and the 'catching off guard' part is not something thats all too impressive. The point is he was easily offed right after becoming the threat we were all waiting for him to become.
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What ?
Did you miss him stake Roman ? Did you miss him own Eric Northman ?Did you miss him slap Dieter's head off ? Did you miss him intimidate the Werewolves ? Did you miss him physically assault Salome and then verbally berate the rest of the Authority ? Did you miss him own the Elder Faerie ?
He played nice until he couldn't stand it anymore as she went directly against what he wanted. It was not even for longer than a few days.
He was not easily offed. We see him taking on 20 plus Faeries and then for a 1,000 year old vampire to come out of nowhere and stake him with his guard lowered.
He was not the main season antagonist. He could not be the final threat so you are complaining about the placement of his death at the beginning of the episode. I don't particularly care. Russell had no rival in a fair fight. We see without the whole being high, lowering guard, while being attacked he would not have died. That's the point. In a fair fight he rapes Northman. In a fair fight Link beats Ganondorf.
The villain should be greater than the hero but in Zelda it is the opposite.
Already said that the two moments were just teasers in the last episode with him, where he made the speech and became the proper Russell again. Lapdog for 5 episodes, with the first 6 telling us a raging badass was coming back into town.. only half an episode and two moments being what we were built up for.
When the greatest antagonist only terminator walks for 5 seconds to get instantly killed off without resisting, thats not impressive.
I've already told you this is my personal reason why this season felt like a let down for what Russell could have been, as was his death. Him being high, lower guard and being flanked being reasons why he died does not make his death any better. Just solidifies that they killed him off in another lacklustre way.
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