Well than lizard is in trouble because the real one is a master of all martial arts and actually thinks before swinging. He'll more than likely counter most of his moves. This will be extremely hard for Lizard to win.
Did you forget about the foot long adamantium claws he has.
Lets see, greater skill, longer and sharper claws, and a greater healing factor (not to mention an adamantium skeleton to go along with it). Yeah, I cant see Lizard taking even one.
i'm gonna try a neater way of arranging my points to more effectively debate.
i think lizard will take a small majority in this bout because:
1.he is faster than wolverine. he is always stated as at least equivalent to spidey in speed. and he could be even faster, seeing as he has outmanuvered spidey a few timees before when spidey has his sense to aid the speed/agility. i know some may argue wolverine is just as fast or close to spidey, but i'd have to disagree. at least on a average showing.
2. lizard can take punishment.he has a great healing factor. slashes to the thoart, being tossed off high buildings, literally being dismembered by shots, johnny storms heat blasts, being impaled.......he's healed from these in no time.
note: i am in no way trying to say lizard's HF is on par with wolverine.
3. lizard has 12 ton lifting strength and a tail described as much more powerful than any other asset of his. his tail has crushed/hurt everything i've seen it smack. it turns concrete to dust. i think he could KO wolverine with it. he could at least BFR him with it.
note: i know wolverine has been displayed as withstanding crazy head trauma with no KO, but IMO it's just a misconception that was derived from his healing factor. a HF has nothing to do with how durable wolverine is. besides it's not the norm anyway from what i've seen.
4. his showings with spider-man. you don't have to acknowledge this. and i know it's in a sense "abc logic". but his showings with spider-man do somewhat sway me to his favor.
everything said is strictly IMO. it seems i arouse many by seeming too
sure or smug about what i say. i believe what i've said, but i do reconsider when i feel appropriate data has been brought to my attention.
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just to add. i don't think wolverine would be dealing punishment that lizard couldn't heal from........due to his speed/agility. even slicing of an arm or slashing his throat clean open won't deter him at all. he can take a lot......and i'm not sure he'd have to take much with spidey speed
his skill won't cancel out lizard's speed/agility advantage IMO. it would give him more opportunity to deal damage on this guy who moves with the speed of spidey.........but not more than he can heal from IMO.
after a few hits he'll begin to adapt to his fighting style and be able to counter accordingly. Speed means nothing if you're predictable. The speed difference isn't that great either where it makes Logan look slow.
Spidey versus Wolverine? Spidey is class 25 and faster than Wolverine (in my opinion and not by a lot), but what can he do to down Wolverine? As much as I hate to argue for the Mutant Midget, but he's taken shots from class 100 heros without being KO'd. Do I agree with it,,,,not even close, but I suppose we are made to accept it. The Lizard has a few decent healing feats, but I wonder how he'd heal without a head?
lol. so wolverine has enough speed to chop spidey's, and therefore lizard's, head off? i don't think so. not happening.
he could take limbs. he could slash. but that wouldn't put lizard down. a guy this fast isn't gonna be chopped up by wolverine.spidey never has been when they fought.
as for the wolvie resisting KO's thing. i believe i addressed that. like i said, it's not the norm for him anyway. and highly questionable.
It's not about speed and agility. Skill and accuracy can trump speed. The same way Cyclops is able to tag Quicksilver and Deathstroke tags Flash. If you can anticipate their next move then you can counter and capitalize.
I agree with you,,,,,if they ran away. Are you telling me that Wolverine isnt going to get any shots in?
So let me get this right, Wolverine could take limbs, but not their head? Ok then.
Ummm, did you ever think Spidey may not have been chopped up because he's one of Marvels flagship characters? As for the Lizard, you listed healing feats like coming back from being impailed, a slit throat, almost being dismembered by shots, etc,,,,. If the Lizards so damn fast, how did these things happen to him or who did these things?
i was saying wolverine could do all those things because lizard could heal from them..........not because i think that's what he'd deal to him in a fight.
he's not chopping up someone with spider-man speed. that's basically a garantee.
so the reason why wolverine didn't gut spidey all those times is because he's popular.
........so it had nothing to do with his speed,right? just bad writing? come on.
lizard knows he has a healing factor.and he was distracted everytime something like that happened. except for with spidey........who accidently impaled him.........it didin't help, but it's understandable. spidey's speed is comparable.
i never said wolverine isn't going to get shots in. if fact, i think he'd get more shots in than if he was fighting spidey, but not shots that will stop him from fighting, like dismembering him or taking his head off............and honestly it's either that or nothing really.he's not strong enough to Ko him. but like i said.......he never cut up spidey in a fight.
were you saying that spidey/lizard could only avoid getting their heads chopped off if they ran away? not like by just dazzling him?
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i don't really like using those spidey/wolverine fights as example now that i think of them.............but what the hell.
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