First of all, I’m going to address some baseless claims Smurph&Blair are throwing around.
We won’t be able to download all the data we need in 4 minutes (viruses, firewall software, tech specs). That's kind of silly, especially considering that all that data is placed on two separate hard drives we’ll be attaching to Karima (I’ve shown how it’s totally possible in my post #4). Also, the necessary data is already there, in Oracle’s memory banks (biggest database in DCU ever) and finding it there would be a piece of cake.
Oracle has perfect photographic memory- perfect to the point she can’t be mindwiped. She physically can’t forget things (think of it as her only superpower). http://www.picamatic.com/view/1111061_page16/
So…more likely the necessary data would be ready in far less than 4 minutes given to do that.
I’ve already shown Karima interconnecting herself with Shi’ar tech (the one Cable uses). The interconnection was perfect. She had no problems interconnecting with futuristic tech when seeing it for the 1st time. In fact, the interconnection allowed her to control that tech. http://www.picamatic.com/view/998469_X-Men_#198_002/
She was already browsed on New Genesis tech in the very 1st round by Oracle, yet you tend to believe that interconnecting with that kind of futuristic tech is more difficult that interconnecting with the alien tech she has seen for the 1st time? LOL. Really.
Next thing is your claim that technopathic attack won’t hit Nimrod. A dude has what? TWO technopathic feats ever (all shown in the post #2, I’ll be referring to that post multiple times since it was dedicated to the debunking of some totally ridiculous claims regarding Nimrod and Vector- For conviniency of the judges I’ll post link to that in the end of my post ). Consisting of hacking password “Ororo” to override defence codes (LOL at noob Forge) and analyzing\comparing two streams of data tied to the particular biosignature.
Oracle has pwned Brainiac, treated planetary level computer attack as if it was some joke etc. I smell lots of wishful thinking regarding the claim that Nimrod would take that attack like nothing.
The software can also be adjusted on the fly- Saraswati amalgam has more than enough skills and resourses to do that.
As for Reed being>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Babs... that's not like he dwarfs her mentally. In fact she's the SMARTEST JLA member (inventing stuff isn't her cup of tea, but perfectly organised mind is). And here's what she can do with it.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/98838...ed_015_page_16/
A diagram to stabilize the universe. She says that she "barely can wrap her mind around it". But guess what? The rest of JLA (including Batman) doesn’t understand it at all, and need to achieve mind-synch to recreate mental model…created in Oracle’s mind. According to that feat, Barbara’s mind>>>>>the rest of JLA. So…not that bush league- and achievements in terms of inventing stuff does not=skill as technopath.
Nobody ever managed to hack Oracle’s database and the only two people who ever got through her defenses (designed to be unbreakable) unwanted were Misfit (via unique magic extra-dimensional teleportation so she avoided passing defense lines and was spying on Oracle for long time inside her living quarters, being her fangirl) and Karate Kid (via doing what Karate Kids do the best- he PISed his way in).
Should I list enormous list of cases Baxter Building being entered unwanted and\or Reed’s databases being stolen? I think we can get without it.
Also, unlike Nimrod who is horrible multitasker (his multitasking “achievments” were shown in the post #6 and quite frankly he sucks in multitasking), Karima has shown that she has no problem attacking multiple targets with multiple weapons simultaneously.
The next retarded claim of yours- Emma\MM amalgam won’t be able to turn her skin diamond and shed it in…4 minutes. *wtf* http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?...90005qg7vy2.jpg
1\100th of a second. For full transformation. Partial one, limited to skin only- even less than that. Detaching the layer of skin from a body forming exoskeleton- another 1\10th of a second (that’s being modest, as Miss Martian has shown being able to shapeshift pretty fast). 4 minutes? LOL.
Partial transformation allows to use TP without any problems (shown in the writeup), and what’s more- the skin would be SHED, forming exoskeletons. I’ve already shown that diamond exoskeletons based on Emma’s DNA\powers (the detached skin that is her OWN would sure as hell be) AMPLIFY AND FOCUS ambient psionic energy.
To add to what was shown in the writeup (Emma’s feats referring to using partial transformation into diamond)- Stepford Cuckoos (same powers as their mum, except for their diamond forms being absolutely flawless and them being able to interconnect into digipathical hivemind, thus amplifying their TP) keep a part of their body permanently transformed diamond and that doesn't weaken their telepathy at all. http://www.picamatic.com/view/1011914_img021/ http://www.picamatic.com/view/1010963_img022/ http://www.picamatic.com/view/1011692_img023/
Vector’s powers (deeply analysed in post #2) is telekinesis. Mental power. It can’t be amplified by amalgamating with a ROBOT (who has nothing to add to psi-powers at all), or by growing in size (since when Pym particles increase mental powers)? So the level of Prodigy’s power output with Vector's power would be the same as the output of Vector's powers- building-destroying at best - even “reality ripping” attack- horribly overrated- it didn’t even kill people it was aimed at and said ripping happened as side effect.
That’s all done with strain or help… and what does that mean? Vector’s power level is TOTALLY MANAGEABLE for Emma, let alone a psionic behemoth who is Emeralda (Emma’s +M’gann’s psionic reserves combined, not to mention amplifying exoskeleton), who has Jean’s skills and experience as a trophy from the 1st match.
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?...19800320on7.jpg
Emma when fighting Phoenix does what Vector did in scan above- destroys building with a bolt of raw psionic energy, which strains her. Unlike Vector, who pussifyingly surrendered to Professor Huc, Emma later had enough skill and energy to escape undetected from said Phoeinx and Xavier.
I‘ve already touched how magic and psionic attacks have been effective against Vector in all other cases except from Gamma Base one. So disruption tactic still effective there (considering that Vector’s power level isn’t amped (no plausible way to do that))…and that paves our way for another tactic I’ve addressed in the end of my #2 post, specifying combat tactic for Alchemist. http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099110_bondagesession/
Being wrapped into random cables left Nimrod defenceless for considerable amouth of time (a few seconds would be long enough of an opening). So, with a simple spell local plant life gives your gigantobot a nice bondage session:
And immediately after that those trees and lianas get transmuted into promethium to make sure bonds would hold you(alchemical\chemical knowledge of Nyssa, the best alchemist in DCU, ensures that she knows what promethium is). http://www.picamatic.com/view/993062_01/
That leaves long enough of an opening for our solar overload attack (the energy comes from solar activity, not from Alchemist, so energy conventer won’t help you providing you have one).
Sundipping Superman hard enough so that he can ignore magic attacks for a minute and PWN magically powered Atlas. http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099600_Superman-_016/
Zatanna uses the same spell (more stable version, but powering something up and overloading it is two different things in terms of need for stable energy) to power up JLA satellite: http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?i...av124411in4.jpg http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?...av124412yq7.jpg
It blinds human-durable people (expect from spellcaster) but the only ones we have on the battlefield belong to your team. And since we’re at tropics there’s plenty of solar activity to concentrate and use to overload your gigantobot.
What’s next…remember, guys- it's 3 vs 1 there. And this 1 is horribly overrated there.
First of all, you claim the huge variety of attacks for your abomination. Let’s address it one-by-one.
I’ve shown (post #6) that growing gigantic would drain Nimrod’s energy reserves rather than amplify them- mass increasing drains his energy reserves and DAMAGES his internal structure. All that would be amplified is purely physical properties (strength to the extent), energy output would be roughly the same as at normal size if not smaller (too much factors external durability and Vector's repelling powers can't negate as shown on panel there)- and energy output is what matters there with range, power and other things they want to amplify: http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099096_massweakness/ http://www.picamatic.com/view/1099097_massweakness2/ http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nimrod0ag3.jpg
With that thing, they claim that they can do, for example, that thing:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/...hardstech-1.jpg
It can shatter a moon, but it needs to be installed on the spaceship (and that’s ALL that we know about that weapon). It consumes horrible lots of power… far more than Nimrod can muster.
They use that scan to prove that Nimrod has sufficient energy output to power the thing: http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?...scan0024mf1.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?...men22027qt5.jpg
The word “freeze” wasn’t used there in a sense “drop temperature below zero”. The O.N.E. sentinels were attacked by EMP that shut down their systems. Karima Shapandar is immune to EMP and pwning lesser generation of Sentinel is hardly a feat. http://www.picamatic.com/view/11068...nlimited_27-22/
Omega Sentinel (fighting against her sentinel programming and minutes after transformation) pwns a bunch of regular Prime Sentinels, them being her inferiors.
The f*ck you’re seeing the energy output equal to a flagship of Skrull fleet there?
Vector’s attacks were successfully dodged by White Tiger- aka low streetleveler. Somebody who has dodged energy blasts from Supergirl and has “trophy" aerial combat skills of DCUA Hawkwoman.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/88232..._048_-_page_13/
Dodging Supergirl blasts>>>repeating the stunt WHITE TIGER did multiple times. Emeralda can easily move on tourney cap speed (Martian physiology allows for that, and Emeralda's stamina>>>Miss Martian stamina due to much bigger and much more well-developed reserve of psionic energy).
There’s also handy “Early warning” power Emeralda possesses- reading thought “fingerprints” aka osmosis. Here she picks it up from Dreaming Celestial who is>>>>>>>>>> your overrated unstable gigantic robot. http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?...en496012el4.jpg
It can be used for early warning against attacks (akin to Spider-sense). http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?i...onx00616gr9.jpg
That + Martian reaction speed= dodging your attacks is a piece of cake.
That also means that another your “weapon of doom” can be dodged (providing you have energy and power sufficient to build that, which is really unlikely):
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/...our07219do5.jpg
Here’s your Sonic Shark- a slowass overrated gigantic missle. Just' being aimed at Silver Surfer won't make it end all be all of weaponry. Johnny Storm easily keeps up with it and he is hardly high Max speeds flier.
Also Ben Grimm is strong enough to bat it off his way- Emeralda most likely can repeat that stunt (due to her psionic energy reserve being increased “stalemating Supergirl” level is now her regular operating level instead of the one she can maintain for a couple of minutes).
Or turn your own weaponry against you. http://www.picamatic.com/view/11176...r_Titians-_004/
It’s funny how with simple spell your weaponry attacks you. And you surely made sure it's advanced beyond limits of logic.
Your next pile of stuff.
Attacks Nimrod used on Juggernaut.
That leaves you with… http://img245.imagevenue.com/img.ph...-_122_517lo.jpg
Nice try, but it needs to be directly aimed (thus no chances of working against widespread\area attacks or on moving targets) and be constantly on, not to mention it’s useless as soon as opponent starts using anything other than electromagnetic energy. Seriously…it’s just an energy cage, depending on victim using electromagnetic powers while in cage to power it up.
Also here it’s used to isolate single target surrounded by multiple people to prevent escaping. Here the odds are my 3 characters vs your single one (you have one overrated amalgam+2 street level people). Conclusion- really useless kind of trap for that particular setting. As most of your stuff is…
This match was very close. I found myself going back and re-checking each point and counter point that was presented over and over again to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Upon final analysis, though both plans offer a lot of supposition and call for some suspension of disbelief to one degree or another, I have to vote for Charlotte's plan as I don't feel BDub/Scoob have adequate defenses for the computer virus attack with their highly tech based amalgam (also not accounting for their genie endowed defenses being removed due to the rule violation), and Charlotte also cast enough doubt in my mind that Nimrod, even enlarged to gigantic proportions, would not be capable of producing the power output for all of the various weaponry configurations and attacks that BDub/Smurph presented since no member of the amalgamation save for Vector brings any kind of energy projection/manipulation powers to the table at all, and Vector only brings concussive blasts of TK for repelling matter/energy at that. Very close match though.
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