to claim atomistic determinism is correct is premature. While it appears there will be a unifying theory, our current ability to measure things at sub atomic levels (while accurate) does not necessarily indicate that there is no variance in how a cause produces effect. I've heard quantum physicists talk about electron "jumps" being 100% random, not just our inability to measure it.
I'm certainly not making the argument for free will, but to say that universal principals of cause and effect prove determinism lacks a unification theory that allows us to make predictions about sub atomic particle movement.
__________________ He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
__________________ He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
we cannot say for certain that something won't happen to change the current projections.
__________________ He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
what if, in 200000 years, we develop technology that stabilizes the universe, much like we are trying to stabilize our ecosystem on Earth?
LOL
great article
the most repulsive idea ever!
__________________ He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
That was a great read. Too bad the person who came up with the idea lacked the ability to create a more badass name for his theory. Big Rip..? Common..I mean seriously?
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Even if such things were determined to be totally random, it wouldn't validate commonly accepted concepts of free will, especially since the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics has been either roundly debunked (my opinion), or at the very least we've been given equally as logical alternatives to it that don't involve human interaction/choice affecting quantum superpositions.
And M-theorists might even say that it may seem random, but all possible outcomes of superpositions are reconciled, just in different universes, and within those universes whichever outcome happened is consistent with with the deterministic nature of the rest of that universe.
So I'll agree with you that we can't know for sure, but won't concede my position that determinism is the most logical and likely method of our existence. And religious definitions of free will are still inconsistent with anything resembling reason.
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