I don't know if you realize but you proving me right as we go on. Juggernaut can amp his strength up thus the reason why his gem has limitless strength or unlimited strength to add to him. Hulk strength is limitless but it takes a hell of a long time for him to ever get that strong to be a real threat. Juggernaut has never beaten Thor truly in a fight. Even in a hand to hand figh tno hammer no shields Juggernaut nearly died from one blow from Thor in 60 seconds Juggernaut nearly died from Thor. Yet you think he is actually stronger??
Yes I'm going off a hero basis and Hulk isn't in Thors category. Being Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, an Hercules. Those are the top teirs in strength alone even if Gladiator is good he will fight on the good side. Hulk comes in with Wonder Man, Namor(Water soaked), Sentry, Hyperion(certain version). Hulk has only beaten Thor what one or twice? Thor has killed Hulk what? 3-4 times? Hulk has ran away from Thor how many times?? Even Surtur/Hulk strongest version died to Thor. Yet Hulk is stronger? Give me one showing where Hulk has been shown to be stronger. If Hulk was so much "Stronger" He wouldn't have to get stronger from anger he would be like every one else in Thors category of strength. Thats like saying Hulk is invulnerable. He is just durable because an invulnerable person would never have such a healing factor. They aren't even either.
No not proving you right seeing as he went Trion through outside intervention he did not do that on his own and 8th Day was because Cyttorak called him forward to do battle with the other Exemplars. Cain has never on his own amped his strength.
Hulk's rage boost is variable depending on which version of Hulk it is.
Cain has beaten THor twice. He ko'd him in their first fight and their third. Don't see how he didn't truly beat him. The Cain you are talking about was written as having his invulnerability tied into his forcefield which isn't true. He had shit durability in that fight. Also Thor did not nearly kill him seeing as Cain didn't bleed and he was still up and speaking coherently during those 60 seconds.
How is Hulk in a WM and Namor league when he has beaten the likes of Gladiator and Surfer?
Hulk has also braced a mountain and held a planet together, those are Gladiator feats right there, no way could namor or WM do that.
Choose your words carefully my friend, I don't recall Thor ever killing Hulk, not even around 3-4 times. Thor would win in a fight but not because of pure strength, he has a whole range of abilities. If they were to go up against each other strictly H2H Thor would lose more than he would win.
Never said Hulk was invulnerable, because he isn't. Cain is invulnerable and he has a HF.
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Dude are you serious? Thor has never killed Hulk? Oh my gosh and you think I'm actually lying let me prove you wrong to start this off.
Strongest version of Hulk mix of Surtur/Hulk summoned by Dormammu went to kill Thor. What happen? Thor killed him with one hammer shot to the head.
Venom Hulk goes on a rampage oh no who will save us?!?! Thor comes all the way down kills Hulk and Venom then takes over Thor who was admitted to be more of a threat then Hulk/Venom was.
Hulk is on a rampage again who stops him? Damn not Sentry, Thor comes down and breaks his neck and flies away and the army sees him turn into Bruce laying there.
Fourth an last time when Thor and Loki took over the earth. Who decides they can take on Thor just because he has ONLY ONE HAND? Thing and Hulk this time think they can take on Thor since he has one hand. You would think they would have the upper advantage right? WRONG!!! Thing and Hulk after several hours of fighting are seen laying Dead from fight one armed Thor.
Now lets look back at when Hulk killed Thor.......................... Yeah never really happend at all. Hasn't even come close except in the cheap animated movies.
Now Hulk vs Gladiator is a horrible example as He cheap shots gladiator, gladiator was already weak and some How Hulks hands can withstand his heat ray but His stomach can't withstand it? Does that make sense to you?
Hulk vs Silver Surfer? Hey remember the time Hulk fought Surfer and Surfer didn't really feel like fighting him and in a few seconds sucked his gamma out of him leaving him as Banner? Remember then time Hulk has fought the Surfer with out cheap shotting him to try and get the win? Although you can't blame Hulk though for his horrible fighting tecnique if I had and IQ like that I'd go for a cheap shot to.
Now Thor vs Juggernaut. If I remember correctly it was Three fights. The first one for some odd reason Thor didn't just remove the magic shield from Juggernaut and did a baby godblast on him then sent him far away far away so no one really one that but Thor did get rid of him so he kind of did win. Next time Thor fights him hand to hand removes his shield and for 60 straight seconds beats the hell out of him. What happens? Right before he does that finishing blow the shields cut back on and thor does something to defeat him. The other time you were talking about Juggernaut grew like 3 times he size and apparently got amped up in power from what the captions said. Read that in the Thor respect thread and read the small fight. I admit Juggernaut won but he was obviously amped up.
I don't know if you even read the comic with Hulk not bracing the mountain but let me let you in on a secret HULK DIDN'T BRACE A MOUNTAIN. He braced a very very very very small portion of it and had help even doing that. Hulk even admitted or Reed that he couldn't do it much longer. So much for that feat huh?
You also state that thor wouldn't win ina fight between him and Him with out the extra abilities huh? Wow are you in for a surprise. Read Thor vs Mindless Hulk when Thor got tired of him going crazy he was beating Hulk senseless. If that isn't enough for you pick up a classic one of where Thor sat down and told the story to a bunch of kids he even asked Odin to remove his hammers magical power as he wanted to test it only hand to hand. Guess who was winning? That right Thor was beating Hulk senseless till he stopped TO CHECK IF HULK WAS EVEN STILL ALIVE. Then Hulk cheap shots him like usual. They grapple. Guess who looks like there winning? Yep Hulk. You would have been proud if you saw this till you looked down a panel and saw Thor over coming Hulk while Hulk was trying to be stronger which shows just how much stronger he is then Hulk.
So in terms of class Hulk isn't in Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bills, and Hercules class. Since he isn't up to there strength I place him in the Wonder Man, Namor(water soaked), Sentry and Blue Marvel class. But I place him not at the bottom but at the top near Sentry. Till I see Hulk dent Adamantium the pure thing or destroy and planet with three whole hits or even Hulk earth on your back for three hours straight with ease he isn't in there class at all.
Sounds like your naming a bunch of noncanon instances because I don't remember 616 Thor canonically killing 616 Hulk four times at all. Also Strongest version of Hulk is WWH someone Thor hasn't fought.
Now on to Cain and Thor. In their first fight Thor did not use a baby godblast, he said himself that this is the very blast that drove back Galactus. He didn't send him far away with the GB either, the ground gave in. Thor didn't seal off his shield in the first fight because it would've been PIS. Cain's invulnerability is not connected to his forcefield this is a fact. Cain KO'd Thor in their first fight, Thor didn't so how can you say Thor won via BFR but Cain didn't win?
His second fight was PIS because he was written as a mutant and his invulnerability was tied into his Forcefield. Even without his powers Thor still couldn't put him down.
When did Cain grow three times his size? Looks regular size to me.
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A very very very very small piece of a mountain? Are you sure about that? Hulk has held a planet together with his strength and Worldbreaker had the power to well destroy the world. How is in only Namor's class? Hasn't Namor stalemated both Hulk and Thor IIRC?
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I don't recall these instances. Do you remember issue numbers or story arcs or anything?
Meh, small correction: Thor had both arms and both eyes. Its from the fight that Thor loses that arm and eye. Still a great feat for Thor though, because he was cut off from the Odinforce.
Not really true. During Heroes Reborn, Hulk absolutely brutalizes a version of Thor. And in Hulk 461 (I think), a Savage Maestro Hulk easily holds his own against a Berserker amped Thor (Thor's strength x10) and then tosses him away when he's through serving his purpose.
I'm pretty sure Hulk killed Thor during Future Imperfect, too.
Definitely right about that. Complete BS.
Yeah, that last time you're referring to is against 8th Day Juggernaut, who Thor said was a hundred times stronger than before....
However, when Juggernaut escapes from the Gem at the end of the Onslaught saga, he also says he feels a hundred times stronger than before. And doesn't show it.
And erm, he's not 3 times the size in that instance.
Not true. The mountain range was 150 billion tons. It was dropped directly on them, and the only reason the heroes didn't go splat was because the Hulk 'braced' it. You know what bracing something is, right? He couldn't lift it off of them, but he did hold it up off of them. And the mountain range was 10,000 ft. high...and probably even longer than it was tall. Awesome feat for Hulk there. Especially because that was "Professor" Hulk, one of the weakest versions.
And a weakened Hulk, like Wei already said, was able to shift continental plates with one hand.
Again, what're you referring to? Heroes Reborn where the 616 Thor shows up after Hulk's already brutally beaten his HR version? Or Hulk 461, where it definitely wasn't one-sided?
So in terms of class Hulk isn't in Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bills, and Hercules class. [/B][/QUOTE]
Completely disagree with you, here.
1.For the first one no those were What if? When Thor didn't decide to Hold back on Hulk. In marvel its admitted Thor, Silver Surfer, and Strange all feel bad for Hulk and don't actually wanna kill him. Thats the main reason Thor doesn't just hit him with a Godblast when Hulk jumps at him and ends the fight forever. Silver Surfer admits it to after he beat Hulk and say his body just laying there.
2.Heroes reborn? If I remember correctly Onslaught was going through there heads and making them fight each other. Even Then Thor beat Hulk lol. Infact right before he was about to smash Hulks face it he couldn't Hold the hammer because Thor was no longer worthy with Onslaught in his mind. I remember that Thor won that even if it wasn't really him.
3.Are you sure I thought he did lose one arm before? I remember throughout the whole story he had no eye period. But none the less he did it with brute strength.
4.Your right he was able to use his long arm to hold a berserk Thor back who for some odd reason didn't just break it like a twig. Considering the fact Thor can move so fast he is a blurr(happens in earlier comics when he robbed a bank) he could have easily dashed around the arm and pummeled him. Remember when Thor took on Dr.Strange, Beta Ray bill, Silver Silver, Adam warlock Drax with the Gem that big black guy and pwned them all in warriors rage? Yeah Hulk wouldn't be able to do that. Even Thor with Silver Surfer and Drax had to run to Odin because Thor was in rage with the power gem. Also notice which Hulk you named a savage Maestro who is already twice an more stronger then Hulk but Savage?
5.When I said Juggernaut was three times his size I wasn't being literal about it. I mean look at how suddenly big he got and in one caption Thor mentions he must have gotten a power up. Trion Juggernaut would demolish Thor that some one Strange should fight.
6.Nope I remember the comic it wasn't dropped directly on them a portion was on the other side. Hulk lifted up that portion that was on them.
7.Its okay if you don't agree but I don't see your average Hulk being in there class especially since its stated most of the time when he turns to Hulk he is in class 90, just in 100 but never just goes in excess greatly like the others. Hulk has never really done what they've done. Besides Being in Namor class and Wonder mans class isn't bad considering Wonder man is said to be the strongest Human until count Nefaria you know. Namor has been seen doing some amazing feats including beating Hulk and sending him flying miles away and turning back into Banner of course when they fought in the water.
Okay I'll say it again if you noticed Thor Silver Surfer, and Strange all admitted to feeling bad for Hulk which is why they never kill him. If they really wanted to they would. In a non canon fight a what if Silver Surfer infact did kill Thor and did it in a few seconds right after the fight, while in the regular universe they usually fight and stop because they don't want to kill for no reason. Strange is even admitted he could kill Hulk with his pinky if he wanted but doesn't. If you read the Strange vs WWH you would see that he used the weakest possibly version of Zoms power to fight Hulk because he was really scared of killing him.
Now I saw its a very small piece but I'm not being serious. A piece that small I would be able to lift. What I really mean is that with closer inspection its revealed Hulk never lifted the entire thing.
Now in the first fight he says its the same type of blast that drove Galactus away but its not the same exactly one that he used on Galactus. Do you know why? For the soul fact he put his life force into the one he used on Galactus not the one he used on Juggernaut. That and Galactus is relatively weak to magic since its the one energy in the entire universe he cannot manipulate. Same thing with his most famous herald Silver Surfer. Even with Quasars constructs they are weak to magic.
Also the strongest version of Hulk is not WWH its Surtur/Hulk. Read on who Surtur is before you make a statement like WWH being the strongest version. Then read in the Mangaverse this version of Hulk who was literally made to bring death to all the gods when something the regular Hulk can't even do to one.... Also Thor never fought him because it would have ended the entire serious with ease. Odinforce Thor vs a Hulk who had a few months of training on his fighting skills? thats a huge mix max the force can destroy and remake entire galaxies if used correctly Thor would have easily killed Hulk and Marvel would have lost all its fans. Don't bring up the Red Hulk fight either because Thor the first time hit him with baby hits and underestimated him.
Thor did send Juggernaut far away? He sent him to a place where Juggernaut took over. About the shield Thors hammer was able to ward off the magic shield of the gem. Juggernaut is even said to be vulnerable to magic attacks which is why special fire could flare him down to his bones but not normal fire. Thor did kind of beat himsenseless during those 60 seconds. You have to admit that. It was as bad as When Thor got beat by Mangog that one time but Thor did beat him pretty badly.
Why one earth shouldn't Thor have put him down with out his shield? Do you think Juggernaut as big and slow as he is should be able to do much to him? Thor should technically be able to dodge his hits.
Yeah, PLEASE discuss this somewhere else, you're ruining this RESPECT THREAD FOR BLUE MARVEL by turning it into a versus thread for Hulk, Juggs and Thor!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but did he easily take out pagan? In the one picture right after the defeat of King hyperion? That looks like the brother or Lord templar? That fight with King hyperion can't really be cannon. It look real enough at first, but laying King hyperion down with one hit just because you cut loose? Were talking about King hyperion, not some new no name villain who came out of the blue sayin he conquered worlds and stuff. He was doing well takin that many blows, but one hitter quitter isn't going to make me believe sorry.
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