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tjcoady
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Originally posted by Philosophía
Thumbnails, man.

Though, I might understand why you want it to slap people in the face.

With context, this feat is actually even better than a simple planet-moving feat. Much better.


That feat actually is Pre-Crisis (it takes place when Hawkman and Atom and Green Lantern were all on the team together, so around the Seventies)... although what "pre-crisis" actually means anymore is in doubt...

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Why are you telling me that ?

It seems that pre-Crisis with post-Crisis continuity have merged, but it doesn't mean we should start using feats from Pre-Crisis Superman. Not yet anyway.

But as long as stories that happened in Pre-Crisis continuity are remembered by current Superman or in a situation like this one, imo, feats are still applicable. Similar to how many things introduced in the Byrne era have been retconned, but many events during that period are still in continuity.


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Thumbnails, man. Though, I might understand why you want it to slap people in the face. With context, this feat is actually even better than a simple planet-moving feat. Much better.


I thought it deserved it. It hammers home that a lot of pre crisis stories are canon again.

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IMO planet moving should be only accomplished by entity's with access to limitless power sources. It would take the ENTIRE Sun several years to put out enough energy to move the Earth.


No.

The potential energy between the sun and earth is 3.6 x 10^33 J. Thats about 8 hours of the suns energy So the feat was probably worth about a days energy.

Also even DCAU superman wouldn't get enough energy from the sun to perform his superfeats. The solar abttery theory has never made sence.

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During the Critical Condition arc when Steel is inside Superman, he comments on the "reactor" that converts solar energy into usable power.

I don't remember exactly how he words it, but he pretty much proves that Supes is more than just a battery.


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"Solar Battery" was always seen, by me at least, of a layman's definition of superman's powers... i've never taken it to be that literal, tbh...


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Three feats from Superman: Beyond should be in here.

1). Apparently Superman's origin story is so incredibly moving and powerful, it can create a competing narrative with which to combat absolute nothingness (I'm still not even entirely sure what it means, but it sounds unbelievably incredible).

2). Superman is literally the living embodiment of the concept of the Superhero, and the "idea" of him is even more powerful than any of his constituent super-powers.

3). Superman showing that the Monitors were misinformed. Apparently, Multiverse-level beings that can destroy universes with a thought are not the only individuals that can bottle or carry bleed; Superman can.

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3). Superman showing that the Monitors were misinformed. Apparently, Multiverse-level beings that can destroy universes with a thought are not the only individuals that can bottle or carry bleed; Superman can.


he didn't just carry it, he used it as dental floss. stick out tongue


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Three feats from Superman: Beyond should be in here.

1). Apparently Superman's origin story is so incredibly moving and powerful, it can create a competing narrative with which to combat absolute nothingness (I'm still not even entirely sure what it means, but it sounds unbelievably incredible).

2). Superman is literally the living embodiment of the concept of the Superhero, and the "idea" of him is even more powerful than any of his constituent super-powers.
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3). Superman showing that the Monitors were misinformed. Apparently, Multiverse-level beings that can destroy universes with a thought are not the only individuals that can bottle or carry bleed; Superman can.
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None of that was precrisis the entire universes were rebooted with their entire histories generated,otherwise people who casually travel time all the time would have noticed that shit hit the fan 20 years earlier,waverider had to go to the linear mens headquarters to find out about the crisis,hal had to go directly into the timestream ect ect.

Whats funny is superman did that planet pulling pre infinite crisis upgrade so I guess we finnaly have a legitimate no one can argue against case of superman being able to generate planet destroying power(since it takes much more power to pull a planet weight against the suns gravity+starbreakers power).

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"Solar Battery" was always seen, by me at least, of a layman's definition of superman's powers... i've never taken it to be that literal, tbh...
it's because it should say "rechargeable solar battery", normal alkaline batteries generate their own energy, superman doesn't.


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My personal favorite theory is that Superman is literally capable of doing anything, regardless of how much solar energy he's soaked up, and that the whole "Solar Battery" thing is just his way of rationalizing it.

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it's because it should say "rechargeable solar battery", normal alkaline batteries generate their own energy, superman doesn't.


exactly my point, dude.

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My personal favorite theory is that Superman is literally capable of doing anything, regardless of how much solar energy he's soaked up, and that the whole "Solar Battery" thing is just his way of rationalizing it.


aye. within the limits of his powerset, of course.

as far as that feat goes, its canon, whether the actual feat happened now or pre crisis. it's referenced in a post crisis comic as having happened, and that's good enough for me.


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exactly my point, dude.



What point, even if can recharge he still has to drain ALL the suns energy over a period of several years.


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^ Not if the solar energy simply acts as a catalyst for an internal metabolic reaction.


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What point, even if can recharge he still has to drain ALL the suns energy over a period of several years.


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^ Not if the solar energy simply acts as a catalyst for an internal metabolic reaction.


i love being able to use quotes as a reply.


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^ Not if the solar energy simply acts as a catalyst for an internal metabolic reaction.


For what , no author has ever made reference to it ?


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During the Critical Condition arc when Steel is inside Superman, he comments on the "reactor" that converts solar energy into usable power.

I don't remember exactly how he words it, but he pretty much proves that Supes is more than just a battery.


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That's the one. smile


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