In Odin's respect thread it shows that he beats Mephisto in Hell...without the Odinforce and while no longer king of Asgard. Going by some showings, one could say that Odin is actually a true cosmic force. I've already noted before that in the Silver Age, Thor compared Odin's power to Galactus'. I think there may be other instances where the Allfather has these kinds of showings. Going by them, one may be able to say that Odin could beat Big G single-handedly. After all, gods in Marvel have been powered down over the years so in earlier times they may have been on Galactus' level or at least on a significant link of the cosmic food chain.
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To put it bluntly, Thor has no idea what he is talking about
But yeah gods in marvel were depowered from there Silver age days and maybe once were intended to be put on Big Gs level of power, but i think those days are long gone and that galactus is quite a few steps above them nowadays.
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Even though that in the comic Kubik refered to them as the greater powers that Kosmos and himself shouldn't challenge?
I remember Odin Moving Earths population from what I cannot remember
All I'm pointing out is that Odin will not have the record of being defeated by the Fantastic four because that his role concerning earth is entirely different.
Surtur to be more preciese with the Twilight Sword I would regard as being above Odin since Odin has never on panel alone destroyed a Galaxy.
I have already one page one given my analyse of the battle, if we take Odin Zeus and Vishnu's showing against Arishem as the maximum Damage they can produce combined, Galactus should have no problem with defeating them and numerous other skyfathers, however if all others are as Odin then 2-5 and up depending on Galactus powerlevel would defeat him.
He wasn't forced to dodge it he choosed to dodge it... And HE is regarded by Kubik on the same level as Stranger as the new of the ascended.
And I will say that based on the showing that three skyfathers had against Arishem they cannot challenge Galactus. I would say the one that Defeated Diableri could do it too, the one that without taking the battle with Agamotto serious and still having a stalemate could do it.
Yet he still held him for three years ore did Odin sleep for all that time?
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pis is attributed to galactus A LOT. part of my point regarding his varying levels of power . . .
if he's as great as everyone is saying, what's the risk? HE is an evolved human. g is much, much more. personally, i found it funny. take it however you'd like. as for his being equal to stranger . . . i'd like to see this hierarchy that kibik takes us through again. i know it's in an FF annual somewhere, and i have it, but i've not looked at it in quite some time . . .
he's on the same level as someone like dormammu. both are lords of splinter realms. that is NOT a low level to be placed upon . . .
you COULD say all that. you'd be wrong, but you could say it. skyfather (as used in this discussion) is not a station, it's a power designation. surtur (with twilight) is a skyfather level being. you've helped me considerably though with your error. here's some more misinformation i'll correct--
surtur destroyed a galaxy to BUILD THE FORGE TO CREATE TWILIGHT. he never had twilight when he showed galaxy-destroying power, nor is surtur, without the sword, equal to odin. WITH THE SWORD he's about equal. when surtur used the sword the first time, he stalemated odin and his brothers who eventually broke the sword. the sword the second time prevented odin from fully ACCESSING his odin-power. once odin DID regain his full power, he again matched surtur with the sword.
i'd love to see that scan. vaporizing a healthy watcher in one blast IS impressive--likely g's single most impressive feat.
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true, but it was clear via inference who was the greater powers. but i concede your point.
inbetweener is a tough gauge. strange has--without prep--stalemated him for a prolonged time. thanos seemed able to match (or at least approach) his energy output at one time . . . he's had some inconsistent showings as well. i'd still like to see the watcher scan. may need to look that one up.
i still don't see the feats that put him definitively above odin. odin's battle with set shook the MULTIVERSE. g's battle with tyrant (their COMBINED energy output) destroyed galaxies. surtur alone--without the sword--destroyed a galaxy and he is LESS than odin . . .
we have kubik's hierarchy and one showing vs celestials that everyone harps on. the hierarchy is fine, but hardly 'law' and the one showing vs the celestials could be written off as PIS as easily as some of g's showings could be. if i factored in some of odin's older showings the difference becomes even smaller.
but it's your opinion and you're welcome to it. i just think the thread was getting ridiculous and that the power of s skyfather was being mis-represented in this thread--badly.
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surtur destroyed a galaxy to BUILD THE FORGE TO CREATE TWILIGHT. he never had twilight when he showed galaxy-destroying power, nor is surtur, without the sword, equal to odin. WITH THE SWORD he's about equal. when surtur used the sword the first time, he stalemated odin and his brothers who eventually broke the sword. the sword the second time prevented odin from fully ACCESSING his odin-power. once odin DID regain his full power, he again matched surtur with the sword.
Just to add to what was said Odin didn't have his power "Odinforce until after the battle with surtar. So 3 asgaurdians were able to defeat him.
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