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Look if God (from the Torah, Bible, or Koran) exists then we are all screwed and all the b*tching and whining in the world (or universe) won't stop him from sending your ass to hell. If he is omnipotent, then there isn't anybody who can touch him and by the time you utter "That's not fair , you can't judge me!" you'll have a pitchfork half-way up your ass. If God is God he can and will do whatever the f*ck he wants.

If God is fake... who gives a shit?




if the old testament god is real then i only have worry about an agonizing death... and not so much on the eternal damnation, seeing as there is no hell but simply sheol..

so no pitch fork to worry about.. just drowning or burning, stoning which hopefully will be fairly quickly..


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1. The majority are single, white males. -- Yes.
2. They are often very intelligent, with IQs in the "bright normal" range. -- Likely fits this aspect.
3. Despite their high IQs, they do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work menial jobs. -- Created a universe but fails to tend to it well. Fits this.
4. They tend to come from unstable families. -- Knocked up married, teenage girl. Son died with 32, denouncing his father in his dying breath. Split personality?
5. As children, they are typically abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers. -- No parents. Possible equivalency.
6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories. -- No parents but his son liked wine, attacked people in synagoge, received the death penalty (likely not being black you know that cracka done something wrong).
7. They often are mistrustful of their parents. -- No parents.
8. It is common to find that as children, they were abused—psychologically, physically and/or sexually—by a family member. -- No parents.
9. Many spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems. -- No evidence of this. In childhood God created paradise though early signs of megalomania and evil can be seen. Created friends for himself to play with, when they turned out not perfect he punished them hard.
10. They have high rates of suicide attempts. -- Omnipotent and thus likely incapable though letting his son (split personality?) choose death on cross.
11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sadomasochistic pornography. -- Clearly voyeristic but fetishism and sadomasochistic tendencies are less pronounced. His treatment of his son may qualify as sadistic, however. Could also be seen as masochism, strong sadism is present throughout recorded career
12. More than 60 percent wet their beds beyond the age of 12. -- Great Flood? Possible.
13. Many are fascinated with fire starting. -- Burnt offerings are likely a manifestation of this. Destroyed whole city with fire
14. They are involved in sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures. -- Sometimes causes horrific deaths. Made man sacrifice his son, but stopped him before the final act, likely in enjoyment of seeing the son be separated from his father emotionally. Maybe caused by his orphan status and envy?

Fits the basic profile of a mission oriented serial killer including the publication of a manifesto detailing his beliefs.


Note: Likely a spree killer due to sheer scope of crimes.


If you needed a second opinion on your evaluation.


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if the old testament god is real then i only have worry about an agonizing death... and not so much on the eternal damnation, seeing as there is no hell but simply sheol..

so no pitch fork to worry about.. just drowning or burning, stoning which hopefully will be fairly quickly..


In case you didn't notice by the tone of my post, I was playing about the silly red pitchfork thing.

Now either way, your ass would be grass. People in heaven would be playing twister with Elvis while you'd be either alone and miserable for eternity or you wouldn't exist at all. Either way God would RIGHTFULLY have the final say.


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if god is real i just have to worry about a painful death and not so much of eternal damnation and suffering.. seeing as the old testament and torah dont believe in hell...but simply a resting place called sheol..


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if god is real i just have to worry about a painful death and not so much of eternal damnation and suffering.. seeing as the old testament and torah dont believe in hell...but simply a resting place called sheol..


Well don't be silly, I told you that I was talking about the ideas of hell that are presented in the Torah, Koran and the Bible (look at my 2nd post on this thread). When talking of the god of Abraham don't forget you are talking about Allah as well.


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"Why I am Not a Christian" Keith M. Parsons

First, it strikes me as monstrous to suggest that God would have the right to do anything whatsoever to us. What would give him that right? Surely not his omnipotence, since might does not make right. Is it the alleged fact that God created us? Suppose I were to create a race of sentient androids, fully as capable of suffering as humans. Would I then have the right to inflict capricious cruelty upon them?


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thus is the shallowness of man's understanding of divinity....


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wow we poor humans lack in compassion and divine understanding.. compared to the judeo god?

aint that something(sarcasm)


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if we are to take the abrahamic scriptures and sects seriously (judaism/christianity/islam) then it appears that god is the most vicious, malicious, psychopathic, vindictive and deranged serial killer in human history. Does his position as God and creator of everything make these acts right?

33,041,220, thats a good total.

Heres a running estimated total taken from THIS SITE

God drowns everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) Genesis 7:23, BT 30,000,000? 30,000,000

God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone. Gen.19:24, BT 1000? 30,001,000

Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 30,001,001

Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, 1 Chr.2:3, BT 1 30,001,002

Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 30,001,003

7th Egyptian Plague: Hail Exodus 9:25, BT 30,000? 30,031,003

God kills every Egyptian firstborn child. Ex.12:29-30, BT 500,000? 30,531,003

God drowns Egyptian army Ex.14:28, BT 1000? 30,532,003

God and Moses help Joshua kill the Amalekites Ex.17:13, BT 1000? 30,533,003

For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 30,536,003

Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 30,536,005

A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 30,536,006

God burned to death an unknown number for complaining Numbers 11:1, BT 100? 30,536,106

God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food. Num.11:33, BT 10,000? 30,546,106

God killed those who murmured with a plague. Num.14:35-36, BT 100? 30,546,206

A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 30,546,207

Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 30,546,219

Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 30,546,469

For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 30,561,169

Massacre of the Aradites Num.21:1-3, BT 3000? 30,564,169

For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people, and many of them died. Num.21:6, BT 100? 30,564,269

God delivers the Bashanites into Moses' hands and Moses kills everyone "until there was none left alive." Num.21:34-35, BT 1000? 30,565,269

For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 30,589,269

Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 30,679,269

The slaughter of the Anakim, the childen of Esau, and the Horim Deuteronomy 2:21-22 5000? 30,684,269

God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities) Dt.2:33-34, BT 3000? 30,687,269

God delievered the king of Bashan so that the Israelites could massacre his people. Dt.3:3-6 60,000? 30,747,269

Massacre of Jericho Joshua 6:21, BT 1000? 30,748,269

God tells Joshua to stone to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 30,748,274

God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 30,760,274

God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Joshua 10:10-11, BT 1000? 30,761,274

Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 30,761,279

Massacre of 7 cities Joshua 10:28-42, BT 7000? 30,768,279

God delivers the Hazorites. Joshua 11:8-12, BT 1000? 30,769,279

Massacre of the Anakim Joshua 11:20-21, BT 1000? 30,770,279

God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 30,780,279

Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 30,780,280

God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 30,790,280

Massacre of the Canaanites Jg.4:15, BT 1000? 30,791,280

God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 30,911,280

God delivered the Ammonites to Jephthah to slaughter. Jg.11:32-33, BT 1000? 30,912,280

The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 30,912,310

The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 30,913,310

Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 30,916,310

"The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 30,941,410

More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 30,966,410

For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19, BT 50,070 31,016,480

God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12, BT 20 31,016,500

God forces the Philistine soldiers to kill each other. 1 Sam.14:20, BT 1000? 31,017,500

God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite man, women, and child. 1 Sam.15:2-3, BT 1000? 31,018,500

Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33, BT 1 31,018,501

God delivers the Philistines. 1 Sam.23:2-5 1000? 31,019,501

"The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1 31,019,502

God delivers the Philistines to David (again). 2 Sam.5:19, 25 1000? 31,020,502

Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 31,020,503

David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Samuel 12:14-18 1 31,020,504

God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did. 2 Sam.21:1 5000? 31,025,504

Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 31,025,511

From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+ 31,095,511

A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 31,095,512

Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord." 1 Kings 15:29 1000? 31,096,512

Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord." 1 Kg.16:11-12 1000? 31,097,512

Religious leaders killed in a prayer contest 1 Kg.18:22-40 450 31,097,962

God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 31,197,962

God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 31,224,962

God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 31,224,963

Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kings 1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 31,224,964

Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 31,225,066

God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 31,225,108

Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 31,225,109

God calls for a seven year famine. 2 Kg.8:1 10,000? 31,235,109
Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 31,235,110

Jehu killed "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria ... according to the saying of the Lord" 2 Kg.10:16-17 100? 31,235,210

God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 31,235,213

Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000 31,420,213

Saul 1 Chronicles 10:14 1 31,420,214

God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chronicles 13:15-17 500,000 31,920,214

Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 31,920,215

"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 32,920,215

God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 32,920,216

Judean soldiers because they had forsaken the Lord 2 Chr.28:6 120,000 33,040,216

God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans. 2 Chr.36:16-17 1000? 33,041,216

Ezekiel's wife Ezekiel 24:15-18 1 33,041,217

Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 33,041,219

Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 33,041,220


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you one of many proclaiming "morality" is subjective? If so... why all the fuss?!

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morality is subjective and influenced by cultural up bringing. to say that does not give any one the right to question or make a moral question or statement based on there view of morality is a flawed argument.

the fact that they have a different view of morality gives their opinion just as much weight if not more value as it comes from a different perspective.

due to the fact that it may be a less bias opinion from those whose morality come from a social group with a specific agenda..


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heres the way this works if there is a god (which i believe there is), he holds the gun and therefor makes the rules. my supposition is that:
1. God is omniscient, which means he knows all, he knows what those people he killed were, who they had become, he knew that they knew that they had disobeyed them, he knew what they would have done. It is trivial for mortal to question the ways of god.

2. As for killing, the wages of sin is death. God made us, he owns us, if we are not obedient, he disciplines us. there are two ways to look at this, you can look at it pessimistically of optomistically.

He defenitely gives everyone a fair enough chance. all those he disciplines have lived their lives and have chosen not to love him and follow in his ways.

and third, as I don't think anyone living on earth today is fit to judge the actions of god, neither am i fit to defend them. they are not my actions or anyone else's.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you one of many proclaiming "morality" is subjective? If so... why all the fuss?!
Because it makes "God" (if that's even his real name" a hyporcrite.


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heres the way this works if there is a god (which i believe there is), he holds the gun and therefor makes the rules. my supposition is that:
1. God is omniscient, which means he knows all, he knows what those people he killed were, who they had become, he knew that they knew that they had disobeyed them, he knew what they would have done. It is trivial for mortal to question the ways of god.

2. As for killing, the wages of sin is death. God made us, he owns us, if we are not obedient, he disciplines us. there are two ways to look at this, you can look at it pessimistically of optomistically.

He defenitely gives everyone a fair enough chance. all those he disciplines have lived their lives and have chosen not to love him and follow in his ways.

and third, as I don't think anyone living on earth today is fit to judge the actions of god, neither am i fit to defend them. they are not my actions or anyone else's.


Yes yes thats all fine and dandy but you dont know wether those actions in the Bible were the actions of God, you also dont know wther God wrote or insipired the Bible.


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Well lets just hope God doesn´t turn his attention toward this world in the near future, otherwise there will be a lot of dead folk about.

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i think god should also be accountable for its actions.. you know the old saying not even kings are above the law..


But if god exists, is he a king?

So that old saying wouldn't apply to him.

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If you created those robots, then you are in a way, literally superior to them. If you gave them circuits that let them feel discomfort, that automatically gives them "rights"? You made them, and say you could press a button that automatically deactivated them, then you have dominion over them (regardless of why you brought them into existence in the first place).

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Because it makes "God" (if that's even his real name" a hyporcrite.


Its not hypocrisy. Murder/homocide is killing of the same species.

And if laws for gravity and other physics don't apply to god, why should laws for humans? The author of a book can do whatever he wants to his characters, for whatever reason.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you one of many proclaiming "morality" is subjective? If so... why all the fuss?!


One need not see morality as absolute to recognize suffering and injustice.

It's all mythology anyway, so it doesn't offend me any more than, say, Zeus's rape of several women. But that's the basic premise.


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Its not hypocrisy. Murder/homocide is killing of the same species.

And if laws for gravity and other physics don't apply to god, why should laws for humans? The author of a book can do whatever he wants to his characters, for whatever reason.


That's actually quite a good point.

Though not 100% parallel, it's an interesting way to look at it.


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And if laws for gravity and other physics don't apply to god, why should laws for humans? The author of a book can do whatever he wants to his characters, for whatever reason.


Yes but you cant prove that God is the author of the book.


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Yes but you cant prove that God is the author of the book.


Then you can't prove he killed those people and therefore there is no evidence against him!

This thread is Slander! You're all guilty of libellous accusation making!


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Yes but you cant prove that God is the author of the book.
I think it was a metaphor.

The whole of creation is "the book", that God's the author of.


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