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Episode 10: Lair of Grievous
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Notice, he killed the jedi (Nahdar Vebb) with a clone DC-17 pistol.


Which begs the question...why was he tugging it around? least in ROTS he used a Separatist weapon.


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But again: many repetitions from the movies: eye cams and lines...


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I'm thinking maybe they slipped on his model during the making of the episode. I'm sure someone on staff went 'Hey, wait... that's a clone pistol... shit, too late,' because Grievous used his own weapon in earlier episodes with his blaster.


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Maybe he took one off a body. I doubt with all that time that goes into animation that they accidentally chose the wrong weapon.


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Maybe they should have given him a Tommy blaster instead. wink


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Maybe he took one off a body. I doubt with all that time that goes into animation that they accidentally chose the wrong weapon.


They didn't. They probably just didn't want to pay to model an E-5, but you'd think with the battle droids in the episode, it would have already been modeled.

If there were clones in that scene, it might have made sense...but it makes no sense for him to carry a clone pistol around his home when he has a plethora of other weapons.


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There were clone bodies lying around, he might have been lazy. Or he felt it was cruel to use a Republic weapon.


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Frankly, I was kind of hoping for the former Padawan Jedi (who's name keeps escaping me - Nahdar?) to not get killed, but to turn to the Dark Side. That's a plotline I'd like to see them explore, since in the movies you only see Anakin fall to the Dark Side (which is sort of a special case), and I think the books and comics handle it horribly (revolving Force door anyone? Yeah, no.). So I'd be curious as to how this series handles that sort of thing.


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There were clone bodies lying around, he might have been lazy. Or he felt it was cruel to use a Republic weapon.


After watching the episode thrice, I tried to check this. I dont think there were any clone bodies in that area of the lair.

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Frankly, I was kind of hoping for the former Padawan Jedi (who's name keeps escaping me - Nahdar?) to not get killed, but to turn to the Dark Side. That's a plotline I'd like to see them explore, since in the movies you only see Anakin fall to the Dark Side (which is sort of a special case), and I think the books and comics handle it horribly (revolving Force door anyone? Yeah, no.). So I'd be curious as to how this series handles that sort of thing.


Meh, death is easier than turning. It would be nice to see a jedi corupted by the war to the darkside. It would also be nice to see Jedi who leave the order because of the war. I think these are concepts for season II though.


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I hope so, those stories are usually well written in the comics.

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Frankly, I was kind of hoping for the former Padawan Jedi (who's name keeps escaping me - Nahdar?) to not get killed, but to turn to the Dark Side. That's a plotline I'd like to see them explore, since in the movies you only see Anakin fall to the Dark Side (which is sort of a special case), and I think the books and comics handle it horribly (revolving Force door anyone? Yeah, no.). So I'd be curious as to how this series handles that sort of thing.


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I'd like to see Quinlan Vos turned. Then 66 issued against him.


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That's already happened, in the comics.

"Endgame", I think the issue was called?


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That's prolly why it won't show up in CW.


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Was 66 specifically cited in endgame?

If it was, I'm surprised there are still all thes dumb*sses running around saying clones were "pre-programmed" to execute Jedi.


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Loved the episode

Grievous getting ambushed, his legs getting cut off, and then moving around like a spider... beatifully done, and quite creepy I might add

... and so were the saber battles, the camera work, the setting... I loved they included the Kaleesh statues, I never thought I'd see that in the series.
The trap door came out of nowhere, totally surprised me. Nadhar using the force to crush the magna guards, reminded me of The Force Unleashed....

And I absolutely loved the doctor (whichever number it was). Here there was a droid that actually reprimended Grievous, and Grievous didn't talk back or threaten to kill him, but actually gave escuses for his behavior.... I kept expecting Grievous to say or do something for the way the droid talked to him, but he never did, It actually made me laugh the way the doctor talked.... and besides, it didn't had an annoying voice....

and Fisto was a bad ass too... though I didn't like that he took the death of Nadhar to lightly...


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Was 66 specifically cited in endgame?

If it was, I'm surprised there are still all thes dumb*sses running around saying clones were "pre-programmed" to execute Jedi.


well order 66 was programmed into them, wasn't it?

how could they else have known what order 66 meant. For all they knew, it could have meant they had to get Palpatine some deathsticks or a jawa juice...


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No. It wasn't. And the sheer ignorance of the majority of the fan base on this issue is personally sickening.

Order 66: In the event of Jedi officers acting against the interests of the Republic, and after receiving specific orders verified as coming directly from the Supreme Commander (Chancellor), GAR commanders will remove those officers by lethal force, and command of the GAR will revert to the Supreme Commander (Chancellor) until a new command structure is established.

"Order" doesn't necessarily mean "I order you to...", an "order" is also a type of legislation, of which there were many. Clone Commanders would know them just like any military commander knows the rules of his military. Clones "take order without question." They're not some sort of sleeper assassin army. "Order 66" the event was simply the mass-applicaiton of this contingency order. It was issued much earlier as part of GAR protocol.

Order 66 was used successfully many times in the war for Jedi like Vos or Bulq who couldn't stomach concepts like loyalty or honor and posed a risk to the Republic. The Jedi were too flaky to be trusted. Dooku was a Jedi and he started this whole war. 66 also requires lethal force. If the Jedi find out that you're onto them, even a whole bunch of you aren't going to be able to take them. I've seen them in battle: they're gods. I've seen them decimate armies and I'm not going to unleash that sort of damage on my own side because of sloppy execution or regulation. If GAR command, if the chancellor himself has actionable intelligence, why would I question that? I have a job to do and if there is a human traitor that's the equivalent of a WMD in my midst...there is no time. Point. Shoot. Kill.


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Was 66 specifically cited in endgame?

If it was, I'm surprised there are still all thes dumb*sses running around saying clones were "pre-programmed" to execute Jedi.


Yeah. It, specifically, was about what happens to a ton of jedi after Order 66 is activated, Vos included.


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Oh. I was referring to 66 being used outside of the mass-66ing during ROTS.


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Oh.

Meh, Vos has already escaped into the underworld by the time RotS is over... so too late I guess.

Though GL can always just ignore established EU and do it anyway, he's done it before.


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