I understand that, as Q could blink and the empire would be gone. But gimping the uber powers of ST away, while allowing the uber power in SW like the Emperor in the EU, isn't a fair compromise. Vader too, as he's even more of a bad-ass in the EU.
Now, as strict ship battle and/or soldier/personnel battle is fair.
I disagree, one thing that SW has which when used properly would be an extremely effective weapon, are the use of the transporter technology. Beaming a squad of armed people directly to the helm or engine(s) room of a ST ship could be fatal, especially a ship currently engaged in combat with another ship.
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Fair enough- The emperor isn't usually a combatant, so if we keep the two as non-combatants (able to affect strategy but not combat) it seems fair. When we look at how the empire splintered after the Emperor's death we see that it can't function without him. I am willing to suspend his combat facilities.
That was the format I was originally looking for.
ST's teleporters do have a very good chance of tipping a battle, but the multitude of external forces that make the technology worthless seems to make it a non-factor. Teleporters do not work through shields (especially unfamiliar ones like the Empire's) or through many types of Radiation. The technology itself seems to be unreliable: in many episodes (again, I think- my knowledge of ST is not huge) of TNG the failure of transporters is the crux of the plot.
What the expedition team could hope to accomplish is also questionable: the crew of a SD are all armed: even the technicians that operated the Death Star's Superlaser carried pistols.
Many an episode also had instances of them quickly adjusting their "frequencies" and getting transporting through shields. The Federation was able to do this to the Borg on occasion, though not consistently. So it is possible.
They'd still have the element of a surprise attack. Also, the transporting of explosives is another option, as a Star Destroyer would be severely damages if a photon torpedo detonated in the engine room, no?
Not saying ST would win indefinitely, but your claim of 'SW will always win over ST', just isn't logical.
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the federations transporters don't work through shields, that's true. they also have added problem (as is stated in several episodes of the next generation) that there is a slight delay in materialisation and being able to move that allows enemies to attack
the borg, on the other hand, have no such problems with their transporter technology
This is true, but I'd also like to bring to light the epic-level of idiocy the Empire has. They build a death machine the size of a small moon, yet they leave it so vulnerable that it can be obliterated by a single shot.
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for the most part, cloaking devices can be tracked...and come SW ships also have cloaking devices (starkiller's in the force unleashed if that's to be taken as canon) although it's not clear whether their cloaks are merely to hide from sensors rather than a visible cloak as well.
only the reman scimitar has had a perfect cloak...and that ship in itself would be more than a match for an entire fleet of star destroyers
it could deploy shields, travel at warp and fire weapons all at the same time...it had 52 disruptor banks, 27 photon torpedo bays and a thaelaron radiation superweapon.
during the dominion war, even the jem'hadar couldn't stop romulan forces from attacking their bases using stealth, and they use anti-proton scans regularly.
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However, a Defiant class can destroy an SD. How do you want to kill a SD? Gut it's belly. Don't think of the Enterprise-E slugging it out with an SD at long range. SD don't have point-blank defense systems to handle an agile, fast and overgunned ship like a Defiant. SW shields are not that strong. A Defiant would rip through them like a hot knife through butter. A couple of quantum torpedoes would not just penetrate a SD armor, but entire decks would be torn to pieces. Key systems would go offline and surprise - you have a vulnerable SD.
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A SD has more turbolaser batteries. The Enterprise - E has 12 phaser banks.
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