It's established that technological advancement is slow in the Dominion and while they are capable of understanding and using complex strategies, the Jem'hadar are not the most cunning or adaptive race. As Worf would say. "This is our (the Federation's) biggest advantage".
That depends on who you ask. If you ignore Zahn and his ignorance (500 warships will shift the balance of power my foot) then the Empire has a gazillion ships at its disposal. But, on the other hand, if you do accept that, then there is a little bit more to go on. Intuitively, I would pick 'Wars as the numerically superior faction.
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From what I've gathered, Star Wars has a Star Forge that pumps out ships like that robot woman in the Do the Evolution video that pushed out babies. And, judging from the theme of the SW EU, there's probably a machine that pumps out Star Forges too.
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If you cherry pick the largest numbers from the EU, then the Empire has a huge numerical advantage over the Federation. Other EU numbers contradict this, however, but the sources from the films and television shows suggest that the Empire's total fleet is about 20 times the size of the Federation Starfleet in the 2370s and 2380s. Either way, I think its safe to assume that the Empire outnumbers the Federation in ship count.
On the other hand, I don't think the Empire outnumbers the total combined fleets of the Star Trek galaxy. There's just too many technologically advanced races with powerful fleets in the Milky Way galaxy. The largest two groups would likely be the Dominion and the Borg.
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I keep forgetting that I pit the Empire against the entire galaxy. It might have been better to say that one faction fights at a time. I tried that with the whole "alliances" clause, but it came out convoluted and biased.
Can any one faction beat the Empire? The Borg or Jem'Hadar are my only guesses, and that is through sheer numbers.
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The answer to your question is: Yes. Many Star Trek factions have a chance to beat the Empire by merit of superior technology. The Krenim and the Federation are among these. The Krenim could simply employ their temporal weapon to erase any pivotal Imperial ship, base, or Sith from the timeline and their chroniton torpedoes could easily pass through Imperial shields. As for the Federation, by the end of the prime Star Trek time line (2387), their ships are as fast or faster than Star Wars ships and are (IMO) technologically superior in most respects, with respect to canon (films and TV, not EU).
The Borg and the Dominion would simply overwhelm the Empire. The Borg, by far superior tech/defense/firepower and assimilation. The Dominion have a tech advantage and excel at infiltration and destabilization. Their shapeshifting agents could penetrate the Imperial Navy at every level and dismantle it from the inside out. There aren't enough Sith to detect them all and you can be sure that Star Wars sensors ain't going to do the job.
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ok I have to say that this is like comparing apples to oranges. Both are show amazing creativity and the ability to evolve into millions of people arguing about them on the internet. but the fact remains that you cant compare them in an all out war, they're totally different franchises that, while sharing many things in common, are totally differen't. of course the empire wouldnt be able to defend against their weapons because they've never had the need to. while I agree both are awesome, you just cant compare them.
A buddy of mine one time showed me some books a couple years back called the Star Trek guide or something and he aslo had a Star Wars guide book of some kind. He was comparing the ships and all of the Star Wars ships were faster with more powerful weapons iirc. But it's been awhile.
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I owned quite a few tech manuals on both sides, but yeah, they're outdated now. And in the case of the infamous Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross Sections, they are often contradicted by what we observe in the films and television shows.
In regards to speed, if you are taking the entire Star Trek galaxy into account, then Trek has ships that put Star Wars travel times to shame. The Borg, for instance, have a transwarp network that allows them to deploy anywhere in the galaxy in minutes (Star Wars fastest ship would take many hours or days to make the same trip). Another Trek species used propulsion called Quantum Slipstream which offered similar speeds.
Historically, Federation Starfleet ships have been all over the place in regards to speed. However, in the 2360s-2370s, it stayed pretty consistent that a trip across the entire galaxy would take almost a lifetime. However, a significant breakthrough in warp technology was apparently made by or before 2387, allowing Federation ships to travel much faster and able to cover hundreds of lightyears in minutes.
So, as I've posted earlier, the Starfleet ships from the 2380s are actually superior in FTL speed than most Star Wars ships. Heck, even the Enterprise seen in the recent movie (with warp tech reverse engineered from Nero's mining clunker, which was by no means a fast ship in 2387) seems to have a faster travel speed than its Star Wars counterparts.
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