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And without Farrell or the Warlock in DH 4, where would McClane have been?
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He'd arrive maybe a bit late to save Lucy, granted, by then without Farrell, Lucy wouldnt have been in that shit anyway.
And Farrell shot that Bruce Campbell looking dude AT THE END of a four film run.
Now if you were to go with the logic of cause and effect, pointing out that Farrell helped McClane does nothing to take away from what Mcclane did without him or anyone else many many times against impossible odds and tough assed opponents before that point.
Your boy had his ass saved way earlier than that in the LW run, and way more frequently afterwards too.
But merely being one half of a buddy movie pair, its not entirely his fault.
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And do I need to point out that without Al, McClane would have been mahcine gunned to death? He and Holly BOTH.
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A good point, but what did Karl expect...? He drew in front of 50 armed police.. McClane cant be blamed for that...
If anything If McClane had still been armed, he'd have plugged Karl himself. Riggs got f****d up while still armed, most times.
And the same could be said for Riggs and Murtaugh with Joshua anyways...saving each OTHER!!! How sweet.
Just that they before that point and after, had made a career out of saving each other as they are codependant.
Whereas McClane had still that off guard moment on his record and as Al was also was legitimately threatened (If Holly would have got shot, so would Al at that point due to where everyone was), he fired and it was fair game.... 'Cause Powell also saved himself, and innocent bystanders too. So was he ever NOT gonna draw?
There was nobody else there to save on that boat against the South Africans, however...
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WTF, this nonsense again. It's already been shown that McClane's help in the films is minimal and hardly existent when in comes to fighting/killing the villains. While Riggs depends on Murtaugh many a time.
Diehard is basically a one-man action series, while the Lethal Weapon films are cop-buddy orientated. FACT.
Murtaugh did nothing in the Riggs/Joshua fight. When Joshua was beaten H2H, they both shot him. Even if wasn't there, Riggs would have capped his ass.
And McClaine had made a career of busting terrorists with the help of others. Point?
Ah, so now Al did it to save the innocent bystanders?
Hmm?
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Riggs versus Joshua......Murtaugh did nothing......
Riggs versus Vordsted....Murtaugh did nothing.....
Riggs versus the two guys on the docks in LW2 while UNARMED....Murtaugh was in a different zip code.....
McClaine without Warlock or Farrell, he never would have found Gabriel. Not to mention that Farrrell saved McClaines bacon by capping the last bad guy, remember? And without the maintainence guy from DH2, he would never have figured out the layout of the airport.
Support was an equal factor for them, FACT.
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1) "....said the master of pedanticism."
At least if I spilt a hair its to show you what lies inside one, when you spilt it, its so you can ignore the smaller but still defiently existant pieces
better.
2) EXACTLY. What would have happened if Joshua had snapped Rigg's neck like a chicken's... Would it have been flowers and joy that Murtaugh and the boys would throw on Joshua... or lead.. HOT lead...?
(He drew to shoot Joshua and shot him. Fact.)
We're talking about help in the fight scenes right, as it pretains to this thread? Not who helped McClane or Riggs with driving directions and whatnot.
So all you have is one example of how someone jumped in and helped or saved McClane during a fight. While Murtaugh has helped/saved Riggs many a time, as it should be, hence the cop-buddy theme.
Fact: McClane kills his enemies alone 99.3455111% of the time.
Doesnt matter, Riggs beat Joshua h2h, and showed mercy by letting him live. It was symbolism, if you missed that. Riggs PWNED his ass. Beat him, one on one.
What would have been a factor?
Want some KFC? I got plenty.
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When Riggs is facing off against a guy/group of guys one on one, how many times did Murtaugh "jump in?"
Not fights they started together, I am talking about one on one's that Murtaugh jumped in and SAVED Riggs.
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Ah. Well thats where McClane would differ. He'd have just broken his neck. And why? Cause ever time he knocks a b*tch out, and she wakes up to have another go, people on the net keep accussing him of not being able to beat her..... :P
And by "doesnt matter he killed 'em anyways" rules, McClane STILL wins.
What would have been a factor?
Oh just the public/innocents that he are paid to protect as a Law Enforcement officer.
Anytime that they are shooting/killing badguys together counts.
Its how tough they are ALONE that counts.
(You know: When they are waking up with people in ski-masks in their rooms, when they are even having a shit and they are ambushed with bombs, when they are at home and a helicoptor comes and blows your house up....when they pop round and beat the shit out of you, and drown your missus, when they go home alone and find daughters kidnapped etc....)
Cause McClane dont play that shit.
He is the violent, angry miserable lone wolf of death compared to the happy couple, Riggs and Murtaugh.
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And why? Cause ever time he knocks a b*tch out, and she wakes up to have another go, people on the net keep accussing him of not being able to beat her..... :P
