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We're using TDK Joker, since this is the Movie VS.


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Joker in TDK took on distracted bats and only had the element of surprise because of the dogs that were simultaneously attacking Bats.

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I am talking about the fight at the farm, not at the church.


Memory cloudy, but he took out several armed cops with a hatchet, taking out Joker and his goons should be no harder.


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Memory cloudy, but he took out several armed cops with a hatchet, taking out Joker and his goons should be no harder.
Marv had incredible luck there. If the last cop's machine pistol hadn't jammed, Marv would have been dead.


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Joker in TDK took on distracted bats and only had the element of surprise because of the dogs that were simultaneously attacking Bats.


Even after that (when Bats got up after knocking him on the floor), Joker attacked Batman with enough force to prevent him from launching a counterattack. He also managed to knock him down and pin him to the ground helplessly. In fact, he could have killed him had he wanted to.

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Marv had incredible luck there. If the last cop's machine pistol hadn't jammed, Marv would have been dead.


Doubtful, he survived multiple machine gun fire, it stands to reason a pistol round or two wouldn't kill him, unless maybe a head-shot; that's neither here nor there, though.

You do realize that Miller wrote Marv as a nigh-indestructible killing machine on purpose, right?


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Even after that (when Bats got up after knocking him on the floor), Joker attacked Batman with enough force to prevent him from launching a counterattack. He also managed to knock him down and pin him to the ground helplessly. In fact, he could have killed him had he wanted to.


Hahahahaahaahahahaaa, good one.


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Doubtful, he survived multiple machine gun fire, it stands to reason a pistol round or two wouldn't kill him, unless maybe a head-shot; that's neither here nor there, though.

You do realize that Miller wrote Marv as a nigh-indestructible killing machine on purpose, right?
yes


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Hahahahaahaahahahaaa, good one.


Umm... thanks...?

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Even after that (when Bats got up after knocking him on the floor), Joker attacked Batman with enough force to prevent him from launching a counterattack. He also managed to knock him down and pin him to the ground helplessly. In fact, he could have killed him had he wanted to.


Actually the fight went like this

Batman fights off dogs while Joker beats him with a lead pipe. Batman knocks Joker away. Batmans sonar cowl thingy goes on the fritz and while he's distracted, Joker shoves Batman into a net and then gets him into a lock him under a plank of some sort


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Actually the fight went like this

Batman fights off dogs while Joker beats him with a lead pipe. Batman knocks Joker away. Batmans sonar cowl thingy goes on the fritz and while he's distracted, Joker shoves Batman into a net and then gets him into a lock him under a plank of some sort
Joker did what he had to to gain the upper hand. If it hadnt been for the knife thingies in Batmans gauntlet, he would have been killed/defeated/whatever.


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... if Joker didn't have two massive dogs at his disposal he would have gotten his ass kicked. no expression


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Joker did what he had to to gain the upper hand. If it hadnt been for the knife thingies in Batmans gauntlet, he would have been killed/defeated/whatever.


Just pointing out the lack of any actual combat competance


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Batman fights off dogs while Joker beats him with a lead pipe. Batman knocks Joker away. Batmans sonar cowl thingy goes on the fritz and while he's distracted, Joker shoves Batman into a net and then gets him into a lock him under a plank of some sort

ditto. he never had anything on Bats. Ever.

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... if Joker didn't have two massive dogs at his disposal he would have gotten his ass kicked. no expression
And if Batman didnt have all his gadgets and armor Batman would have been killed. Point?


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If the Joker and Batman fought each other and neither had any gadgets or help at all Batman would kill Joker 10/10 times. So what's your point?


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If the Joker and Batman fought each other and neither had any gadgets or help at all Batman would kill Joker 10/10 times. So what's your point?
I'm just saying that all movie characters bring their shit to a fight. Bat brought his armor and gadgets, Joker brought his dogs and a knife. "If this person hadn't had this or that" is bullshit.


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I agree. Besides, if Joker was an incompetent sissy, he wouldn't have been able to do anything to Batman. He's most definitely not.

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I'm just saying that all movie characters bring their shit to a fight. Bat brought his armor and gadgets, Joker brought his dogs and a knife. "If this person hadn't had this or that" is bullshit.


You're missing the direct issue; is Joker a bad-ass fighter or just a sloppy brawler who knows how to wildly swing a pipe and lift his leg for a kick? From what we see in TDK, he's more the sloppy brawler.


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You're missing the direct issue; is Joker a bad-ass fighter or just a sloppy brawler who knows how to wildly swing a pipe and lift his leg for a kick? From what we see in TDK, he's more the sloppy brawler.
Like John McClaine.


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