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Starscream M
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Originally posted by Avlon
Most characters can't reform completely from nothing. Just showing that he can reform his own body from his own mass nearly instantly if he chooses.
yeah I know. I think kris blaze was asking whether Cyborg could reform from nothing though.


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Cyborg Superman has nothing in his arsenal that can harm Norrin to my knowledge, while Norrin can do everything from opening up a black hole in Cyborg Superman head or transmuting his entire physical into dust etc.


He has plenty, especially with his adaptable abilities, healing, and Surfers level of PC which Henshaw has laughed at.

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If his spirit can survive that, then great, still counts as a win for Norrin.


Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers with ridiculous ease on many occasions.


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yeah I know. I think kris blaze was asking whether Cyborg could reform from nothing though.


Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either.


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Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either.


I don't know if you saw it, but I replied.

I haven't seen telepathy attempted at him.


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Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either.
agreed

couldn't Surfer matter manipulate Henshaw though...not that he is likely to use that option but still would like to know how viable

but then prob no one has tried that on henshaw


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He has plenty, especially with his adaptable abilities, healing, and Surfers level of PC which Henshaw has laughed at.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers with ridiculous ease on many occasions.


He has plenty?

Name a few? Please.

Adaptability mean's nothing, when facing an opponent who can rip him apart.

What's healing going to do, when every molecule of his body would be erased.

When has Henshaw every fought a being of Silver Surfer's level of Cosmic Power.

That is ridiculous. Silver Surfer, can use his molecular manipulation, to erase every molecule of Henshaw out of existence on a whim.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers, and your point would be?

Silver Surfer, can erase planets on a whim, that is beyond Earth Bound top tiers.

Henshaw isn't even a physical match for Superman from what I have seen.


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Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers with ridiculous ease on many occasions.
he's also proven to be no match for a healthy Superman for some reason


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Henshaw can't from from nothing...then again, neither can SS.

Adding to that SS can't heal/reform like Henshaw can either.


Silver Surfer, has healed beings other than himself who were on the verge of death before.

I replied to two of your posts on the first page. I think you missed it.


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When has Silver Surfer been knocked out by a laser rifle?

I find it hard to believe that, that can happen when he can effortlessly survive in a black hole, take blows from beings like Aegis etc. and live, destroy planets with on a whim etc.

Silver Surfer, has shown vast mental abilities before, him being able to mind rape shouldn't be surprising.


If you're going to attempt to debate. Please know about both characters.

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Silver Surfer, has healed beings other than himself who were on the verge of death before.


That's nice... still doesn't have the ability to do it to himself like Henshaw can...


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He has plenty?

Name a few? Please.

Adaptability mean's nothing, when facing an opponent who can rip him apart.

What's healing going to do, when every molecule of his body would be erased.

When has Henshaw every fought a being of Silver Surfer's level of Cosmic Power.

That is ridiculous. Silver Surfer, can use his molecular manipulation, to erase every molecule of Henshaw out of existence on a whim.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers, and your point would be?

Silver Surfer, can erase planets on a whim, that is beyond Earth Bound top tiers.
when has Surfer ever demonstrated this level of matter manipulation (ie erasing planets?)


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he's also proven to be no match for a healthy Superman for some reason



Most characters aren't. Superman's beaten Thor as well...who SS hasn't been able to beat yet.

Supes and Henshaw have been able to KO each other...so it's no big deal anyway.


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He has plenty?

Name a few? Please.

Adaptability mean's nothing, when facing an opponent who can rip him apart.

What's healing going to do, when every molecule of his body would be erased.

When has Henshaw every fought a being of Silver Surfer's level of Cosmic Power.

That is ridiculous. Silver Surfer, can use his molecular manipulation, to erase every molecule of Henshaw out of existence on a whim.

Henshaw has beaten top and mid tiers, and your point would be?

Silver Surfer, can erase planets on a whim, that is beyond Earth Bound top tiers.

Henshaw isn't even a physical match for Superman from what I have seen.


This is laughable SS fanboyism, and I have created a Henshaw respect thread. It's quite safe to say that I'm VERY familiar with both characters.


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That's nice... still doesn't have the ability to do it to himself like Henshaw can...


Wow....

What happened in that issue?

I know that there must be context that you are leaving out, for example Norrin could have been weakened etc. because if not, that would be his lowest showing in his entire history.

Better yet, tell the issue number so I can read it.

If it's simply a normal blaster, than it's obvious PIS. He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.

That's like Lex Luthor one shotting a sun dipped Superman as a regular human. Completely undermining the character's power set.

What makes you think Norrin can't heal himself. He has proven vast matter manipulation etc.


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This is laughable SS fanboyism, and I have created a Henshaw respect thread. It's quite safe to say that I'm VERY familiar with both characters.


Fanboyism?

Silver Surfer, destroyed an entire planet to simply prove a point before.

He has shown vast matter manipulation to the point, where he has erased, solar system spanning armadas in seconds etc.

You act as if I'm making this up.


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when has Surfer ever demonstrated this level of matter manipulation (ie erasing planets?)


In annihilation etc.


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Wow....

What happened in that issue?


A lot.

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I know that there must be context that you are leaving out, for example Norrin could have been weakened etc. because if not, that would be his lowest showing in his entire history.


He wasn't weakened....

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Better yet, tell the issue number so I can read it.


It should be in the title of the scan.

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If it's simply a normal blaster, than it's obvious PIS. He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.


Funny, so has Henshaw...but you want to go by lows vs highs. SS has a worse low as you have seen.

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That's like Lex Luthor one shotting a sun dipped Superman as a regular human. Completely undermining the character's power set.


Like you're doing with Henshaw...

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What makes you think Norrin can't heal himself. He has proven vast matter manipulation etc.


If you are asking this question, it's safe that you have no kind of proof. 30+ years should be enough to provide lots of scans showing this type of things. Henshaws healing is far superior to Surfers. There isn't even a debate there.


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Cyborg looks like he probably takes it.

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I haven't seen any telepathic attempts made against him.


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I don't know if you saw it, but I replied.

I haven't seen telepathy attempted at him.


Can't say I have either. So it's a moot argument for that reason.

Henshaw has shown more mindrape ability than SS strangely enough.


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OK take it easy people. Statements that SS cant heal himself are just false SS can certainly heal himself from very bad states. As he does here.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...hitfromGa-2.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...rsfromdir-2.jpg


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