Eel O'Brien Senior Member Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt Anyone who plays the "suspension" of disbelief card is a hypocrite. If no rules where applicable to comics then no one would ever be entitled to complain about continuity, or that silly little concept that Kmc has invented ... PIS. Comics obviously have applicable rules, if they didn't no one would read them. The only reason they have become more sophisticated over the last few years is that, more "rules" have been applied. If you can't see that then you are a moron. So play the whole, "you shouldn't give a shit about plot consistency, because it doesn't really matter"; card. But in the end it makes you a hypocrite. If you can't understand that common sense should be applied to comics, then your an idiot. Its not my fault that you are too ignorant to see the counter intuitiveness of F.T.L. speeds, without deus ex machinas (like quantum mechanics, mentioned earlier). IMO you might as well be some kind of ignorant zealot dogmatically stating that comic book "earths" should be flat. Just because you don't understand the retardedness of F.T.L. travel, doesn't mean that it should be ignored. And that is basically your point !!1
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Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy Gender: Unspecified
How does crossing distances in a faster time than light would take not make someone lightspeed?
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skygunner41 I'll be back! Gender: Unspecified
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Enyalus I agree. I mean, in late '99-'00 Superman himself said he couldn't go faster than light. I realize he's been upgraded once or twice since, but even uber Supermen like Prime seem to imply they can't...I mean, Prime states that he was going to "fly through Oa at light speed" in order to destroy it. DC seems to have a great grasp on physics. Nothing with mass should be able to hit light speed, because the energy needed to hit that speed goes to infinity (due to mass increasing exponentially.) Flash can do it because the Speed Force says, "Hey - **** Einstein." On panel - via narration , Supes has gone light speed before. Most of the limited amount of times he's supposedly gone over are vague. Relying on distances where none is mentioned or # of panels used, etc. So evidence for him being FTL can be argued either way...and IMO, he's not.
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Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!! Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by skygunner41
GO AWAY!
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Enyalus I don't recall Marvel being very big on Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. DC uses it all the time.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by skygunner41 btw how about some info marvel about FTL char.what the explanation.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Enyalus Or how about you stay on the topic.
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vlaaad12345 Senior Member Gender: Male
Arguing superman isn't ftl is nothing short of retarded,he grabbed a person and moved them out of a city in less then a nano second(light travels 1 foot in a nanosecond)he has flown to the sun and back in 2 minutes(16 minute trip at light speed)he has flown to edges of saturn in 4 minutes(light takes about 36+minutes to do the same)he travelled 25 light years in a couple minutes during countdown and during infinite crisis he travelled over a million light years in a short amount of time,there is no arguing anything hes far far ftl.
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skygunner41 I'll be back! Gender: Unspecified
The question is does he need to go FTL every time?
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Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!! Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by vlaaad12345 Arguing superman isn't ftl is nothing short of retarded
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vlaaad12345 Senior Member Gender: Male
There isn't any contradictory evidence unless you are using superman from around 1998 aka before he was powered up to hit light speed again,he gets stronger every year he is under yellow sun and infinite crisis specifically powered him up when he got his powers back,these days hes at planet shattering far ftl travelling gets knocked out but not really harmed by a supernova levels,either hes ftl or he somehow bends spacetime to arrive at distances impossible to achieve with less then light speed.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Enyalus I agree. I mean, in late '99-'00 Superman himself said he couldn't go faster than light. I realize he's been upgraded once or twice since, but even uber Supermen like Prime seem to imply they can't...I mean, Prime states that he was going to "fly through Oa at light speed" in order to destroy it. DC seems to have a great grasp on physics. Nothing with mass should be able to hit light speed, because the energy needed to hit that speed goes to infinity (due to mass increasing exponentially.) Flash can do it because the Speed Force says, "Hey - **** Einstein." On panel - via narration , Supes has gone light speed before. Most of the limited amount of times he's supposedly gone over are vague. Relying on distances where none is mentioned or # of panels used, etc. So evidence for him being FTL can be argued either way...and IMO, he's not.
(please log in to view the image) quote: (post ) Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt Anyone who plays the "suspension" of disbelief card is a hypocrite. If no rules where applicable to comics then no one would ever be entitled to complain about continuity, or that silly little concept that Kmc has invented ... PIS. Comics obviously have applicable rules, if they didn't no one would read them. The only reason they have become more sophisticated over the last few years is that, more "rules" have been applied. If you can't see that then you are a moron. So play the whole, "you shouldn't give a shit about plot consistency, because it doesn't really matter"; card. But in the end it makes you a hypocrite. If you can't understand that common sense should be applied to comics, then your an idiot. Its not my fault that you are too ignorant to see the counter intuitiveness of F.T.L. speeds, without deus ex machinas (like quantum mechanics, mentioned earlier). IMO you might as well be some kind of ignorant zealot dogmatically stating that comic book "earths" should be flat. Just because you don't understand the retardedness of F.T.L. travel, doesn't mean that it should be ignored. And that is basically your point !!1
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Eel O'Brien Senior Member Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Enyalus Pfft. I know you photoshopped that.
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The Great Galen Restricted Gender: Male
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Well a rough estimate would be several hundred times the speed of light, not really quantfied unfortunatly as far as his base stats are concerned.
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The Great Galen Restricted Gender: Male
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Wei Phoenix Yeah but you have your legs moving faster when you sprint. What does he make move faster when he flies?
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Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!! Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Raoul
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Enyalus I guess, then, my answer to the OP would be something to the affect of, "As fast as he needs or wants to go, so long as that is less than the Flash's top speed."
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Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!! Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Raoul
sounds right to me, given that the flash rarely goes as fast as he can...
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