Whoa, I never said a Jedi/Sith can block every attack and that they are all powerful. All I am saying is that Jedi/Sith are way too much for spidey to handle.
And whats it matter what Maul did? This is about spidey NOT being able to predict what a Jedi will do, innit? Spidey has no force powers whatsoever.
No, reflexes shouldn't be clouded. As someone stated earlier, Sidious was just that much faster. Fisto and Windu were quick enough to counter, Fisto falling because again, Sidious was that much better of a duelist.
And how will he do this? Force hold, saber through spideys chest=one dead spider. Jedi/Sith have the FORCE, man. Spidey does NOT. They will always know what spidey has planned and will have more than enough time to counter and pwn.
Well of course he was a bit tired then, spider man would have been tired too. He didnt "tire" as you are implying, he was being "beaten in battle." Big difference.
He was fighting a younger, faster, more powerful opponent who had the FORCE and a LIGHTSABER. Spidey nas NEITHER.
Mhm....All of which pales in comparison to an all out attack from a Jedi/Sith.
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And I explained how he did this, do try and keep up.
And a Jedi/Sith have zero stamina? Doesnt matter how much stamina spidey has, he will be dead before he uses even a small amount of it.
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Watch the fight again, right before Maul impaled him, the look on Jinn's face and his slow reaction time is proof that Jinn was spent.
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And you still ignore that precog wouldn't matter if the person with precog isn't fast enough to counter a much faster opponent. Jedi sense things right before they happen, correct? It's not like they have several seconds notice and can prepare accordingly.
Yet he still won, which is the point, which part of that can't you get? Maul is obviously just more skilled than a mere apprentice, or Jin seriously lacked sabre skills in accord with his "master" status. Either or, he didn't beat Jin by luck.
Did I say that? Odd considering he's faster as seen in the films. So it stands to reason he could attack and get first hit, which is all either would need.
I won't quote each part because it's essentially the same thing, that Spiderman has no force powers and no lightsabers.
But as said here:
A strict Jedi to Spiderman fight, each character sticking to their own powers/abilities, then it is a one sided fight and there is no point to the thread. For the sake of debate/measuring character's abilitites, there has to be some common ground, which in this case is the OP's post of Spiderman having minimal force powers and lightsaber training. We can knock out force powers since he has all he needs, and just assume that he just picks up a lightsaber off the ground and uses that without any training.
There has to be some way that both characters can 'win', Spiderman can't win because he has no killing powers and no weapons. So suddenly Spiderman has a lightsaber and can do simple things - blocking, parrying, swinging. We can assume he can do these without any training because of his spidey powers that give him enhanced reflexes/speed/precog. All that is left to argue is how the fight goes about, and what the likely outcome is.
Basically what you are saying is that Spiderman cannot win under any circumstances and Jedi win by default settings. This doesnt make for a good debate/thread and we may as well knock out the movie VS forum since a lot of fictional fights would be one sided and useless.
Episode 2, Zam Wessel is gonna blast Kenobi. Kenobi takes a sip of his drink, puts it down casually, draws his saber, ignites it, and lops off her arm.
Same movie, Anakin killing those centipedes. He sensed that at least four or five seconds before it happened.
Spidey senses danger, he doesnt have as refined a precog sense that a Jadi/Sith has.
He beat Jinn by suckering him into a situation that favored Maul. Jinn was the better swordsman, but Maul had more stamina and got Jinn into a situation where Maul could put both his blades to work wearing Jinn down.
Thats the thing, he wouldnt get the first hit. A Jedi/Sith would see the attack coming far in advance and decapitate his web slinging ass.
I feel like I am talking to a deaf person.
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As I said, a Jedi/Sith is way too much for spider man to handle. He wouldnt last ten seconds.
But I agree with you on the common ground. The thread starter should have put more thought into setting the conditions. IMO all a Jedi/Sith really needs is the force to win.
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I am well aware of what Spider-sense can and can not do, his sheer super-human speed and reaction-time is what would win in a close quarters fight, the Spider-sense just amps those abilities when he's not already aware of a pending attack.
How is Jinn the better swordsman when Jinn and Obi couldn't kill him in the minutes they were tag teaming him, Maul was shown to do considerably well, considering he's an apprentice who was taking on a Master and his apprentice.
If anything, they were equal (or close to) with the sabre and Maul simply had more stamina, I don't recall Maul just barely hanging in there before Jinn tired.
When it was realized that Spider-man would just more easily destroy a Jedi giving him his super-powers and some/weaker Jedi ability, it was taken away. Despite the thread starter making this a specific, like it has been done in other threads with adding or doing away with certain things.
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