Matter of opinion. The saber battles I provided vids of say otherwise.
Because Maul was fighting a retreating battle. Had he stood his ground, likely he would have been killed by one of the Jedi. He knew this, this is why he suckered them.
I never said anything about Maul "just hanging in there." WTF are you on about?
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Again, it clearly isn't. The actors in the sabre duels are moving at human speeds, while camera tricks were used to portray Peter's super powers. Unless you believe that McGregor, Neeson and Haydensen can actually move at super-speeds in real life?
It's simple, Maul did considerably well when he took on both of them AT THE SAME TIME. He then was able to separate them; hang in with Jinn until he tired and killed him. He then had Obi beaten, had he not stopped to gloat.
All those points do not add up to him being a lesser swordsman, than either Jinn or Obi, maybe equal, but not lesser.
edit: didn't Jinn and Maul fight in the desert and Jinn had to retreat onto the ship? Remind me of that scene.
Dude.........The CHARACTERS were moving that fast, of COURSE the actors weren't. Of COURSE it was caerawork.
This is exactly what I am saying, this is my interpretation of the battle.
Also, if he had STOOD HIS GROUND AND NOT BACKED AWAY as he fought, Maul would have been killed early on.
Obi Wan and Maul were roughly the same age, at the same point in their careers as Jedi/Sith. Only natural that the elder Jedi, Jinn, is a better swordsman, if only by experience.
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Are you blind, they're swinging around the lightsabre handles as fast as they could in real life, Lucas wasn't speeding up the camera (this is the point, see), I don't think this is something Lucas uses in film making.
And your intrepretation of the battle doesn't make Maul a lesser swordsman, which part of your own points can't you understand?.
1)He backed off because he was facing two of them at once, despite doing considerably well before he began his backing; this does not make him a lesser swordsman to either of them.
2)He then matched sabre skills with Jinn until Jinn tired; that does not make him lesser in skill to Jinn.
3) He then overwhelmed Obi and would could have killed him had the PIS gloating not kicked in; this does not make him a lesser swordsman to Obi, just a PIS victim.
1+2+3 = Maul not lesser in skill to either Jinn or Obi. /end fact.
RJ, Are you intellectually challenged? I'm going to break it down into simple steps for you.
Me:
Topic = My Topic = Original Post
Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.
But yet the Intellectually Challenged persists...:
Me:
Topic = My Topic = Original Post
Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.
But yet the Intellectually Challenged persists....:
Me:
So at this point, you must be thinking, I better go and actually read the first post carefully and come back with a cool response. Alas you found out I gave Spider-man force powers in the original topic....
But still the intellectually challenged persists...:
Um Yes RJ that's why I made the distinction between...
Topic = My Topic = Original Post
Current Debate = Non-Jedi Spider-man vs Jedi/Sith.
You dont THINK, exactly. Find something to concrete to bring to the table, because now you are reaching.
He backed off for the exact reason I mentioned, to seperate the two of them.
When he went toe to toe with Jinn, when Jinn tired, THATS when Maul gained the advantage.
Overwhelmed Obi? Watch it again. Obi is on the verge of backing Maul into the laser gate when Maul force pushes him away. Obi Wan got overanxious, thats all.
Jinn was killed because of his foolhardy bravado.
Maul was killed because of his arrogance.
Kenobi was almost killed for being overanxious.
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I think we need to stick to the force powers that people have actually shown. And only those they have shown. This assumption that every Jedi can do everything that any Jedi or Sith has done in the movies is silly. Nor do we know how the skill that Dooku portrayed in holding Obi Wan would work on a superhuman being like Spider - Man. Same for force choke, he only ever did it on actual humans, and it always took him quite some time, as well. Spider Man is far, far stronger than a normal human. I think we should probably stop pretending that the force is a "beat-them-all" type of superpower. It isn't, it has very real, obvious limits.
Sorry, mate. Unlike you, I've actually read tons of Spiderman comic books. What you're trying to pull off about his senses are wrong. Now, he certainly could fight flash like that, but his senses do NOT make it to where a flies wings beat every 2 seconds. And Peter most CERTAINLY can't move that fast (when he looks at Flashes arm with amazement.)
That's what my point was. If you want to change your argument to avoid the PIS portion of the scene, great. I'm not going to fault you for it. Spiderman is absurdly good at hand to hand combat. However, Mace Windu would rip him to shreds, bare ****ing handed.
No, you're an absurd fanboy on almost every debate. You show bias on every single one of these. You make illogical arguments, and you know very little of the Star Wars universe. I don't understand how you can come to these absurd conclusions all the time in these debates with so little knowledge.
LOL! Shameless self promotion? So, you took that seriously? WTF?
You just don't get it. I am friggin' awesome. Behold, my glory. *concourses of angels sing in admiration and announcement.*
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Oh yeah, babe.
Right, because everyone else ignores me. Sorry, man, but you're the only one. You seem to ignore me whenever you've reached the end of your "debate" rope because you're wrong, yet again. Your wrongness is only amplified by your ignorance when it becomes apparent.
I will forgive you. Just tell me that I'm awesome and I'll give you riches and women. All you have to do is say those words.
Sorry, man. You can't do that. It has to stick to the movies. Spiderman can't have force pushy because he doesn't have it in the movies. That was established by Imp. a long time ago.
Impediment already ***** slapped you for trying to give Spidey force powers, it's against forum rules.
I saw the minimal force powers thing in your initial post, but I figured you were intelligent enough to see Imp's post and that you were now NOT giving Spidey force powers.
Looks like I was wrong and that you have the IQ of Forrest Gump's left nut.
Nice try though.
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The better the force user, the better their force sight (wrong force power, I think....but it's the force reflex thing I'm talking about.)
Also, the better the user is at being one with the force, the quicker they can sense things that go wrong such as Jedi slaughter. Yoda sensed it, being uber. It looks like Obi knew what was going down and GTFO'd.
What good is strenght if you're suspended in mid air? Force choke on Obi Wan by Dooku. Dooku suspended Obi in mid air, and Obi made hamburger meat of Grievous. What good were his powers vs. Dooku when Dooku force choked him?
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Will they be able to deal with spidey's counter web attacks, while maintaining the hold...? We see no evidence of such ability except maybe with Dooku...
BTW Spidey'd beat Grevious, as he has no force power.
And Grevious killed quite a few Jedi.
Also, if spidey has a lightsabre with that extra speed/effective spidey sense, toe to toe, Spidey could still come out on top, Id say against most parties he'd meet.
Maul would be the biggest challenge, although he'd probably get all complacent and lose anyway.
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Maybe I wasn't clear before, but I'm not entertaining your foolery, trolling and anger issues anymore.
All I need to know about SW as it pretain to these debates can be seen in the movies, you should try to base your arguments on JUST the movies, it'll help you not look like a fool here.
Hahaha, good one, you telling anyone else they don't think. So the film was speed-up in the sabre duels to signify that they're moving at faster than human speeds?
Everything you said still doesn't make Maul a lesser duelist with the sabre, maybe equal; not lesser though.
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He did say that, yes. But, contrary to what he said, it is proven time and time again, that size, does matter. To him and others. So, the size not mattering thing is at best theoretical.
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....The CHARACTERS were moving that fast, of COURSE the actors weren't. Of COURSE it was caerawork. 
