Concerning the second point, The Force is by its nature up for theological discussion. Since it is not a "mutation" in the Marvel comics sense of the word, nor is it magical by any means, but it is mystic in nature. So it depends on how you view a person can use the Force. I don't want to go through wookieepedia to confirm this because of lazieness, but there is a speculative view that Force sensitives are not only supersentient, but also control the very nature of events and time. So for example, since Palpatine is more powerful than Yoda, he can "dilute" Yodas ability to do things like toss mountains around.
The Force, mutant powers, powers powered by the Sun due to alien physiology etc are all fictional all depend on what the creators dictate.
I'm not too lazy to wookiepedia, Padawan:
"A Padawan, Padawan learner, or Jedi Apprentice in Basic, was a child, or in some cases an adult, who began serious training under a Jedi Knight or a Jedi Master, chosen by the Knight or Master him/herself from the ranks of the younglings."
I dont like the sound of that. Sounds like desperate fanboys were given to much posting power there.... lolz
Anakin, no doubt could have saved his mother with that theory, being the most powerful midichlorean wielder. To be honest not a bad attempt to reconcile EU with Canon, but overly complex, weak EU stuff.
Thats wookiepedia for you I suppose.
^He has certain policies set that accuratly represent his views. When a writer does something that would be out of bounds(like when the authors of the New Jedi Order series wanted to kill off Luke at one point, he explicitly rejected it).
Then there are some serious inconsistancies, from the movies, the genegy series, the clones wars series, the eu. etc.
e.g., One minute Mace is taking out an entire droid army by himself and with his fist, next him and a bunch of other Jedi get overwhelmed by a droid army and need saving from the clones.
Mutant or Kryptonian powers are specifically defined because they are not mystical in nature.Since the Force is something tangible but not fully understood, we can't define it perfectly. For all we know, The Force itself is limitless but is constrained depending on the person.
^Palps basically nullified all the Jedi after Order 66 using Anakins broken self/will as a buffer. He was powerful enough to focus his will on certain events in the CW. It's called Battle Meditation, which is definatly canon.
Dude, it's all fiction. Using Superman as an example, his powers have gone from him just being able to jump far in regards to super-travel from him clearly glaxies in seconds.
Not sure what you mean with "fully understood' either. It's described by gl as the energy of all living things that binds the galaxy together, or some shit like that. GL fully understands what his creation is and isn't.
One thing that is fully understood, Star Wars fanboyism knows no bounds, in fact, it completely hurdles both Superman and Wolverine fanboyism combined, which is a feat unto itself.
I've already admitted(I think in the Proffesor X vs Yoda thread) that Force powers aren't specifically defined and that there isn't a real consenus to what their limitations are. However, isn't it possible that GL wants it that way? If it was clearly defined, then we could have a clear cut debate. As I said, the movies come before the EU, but the EU is canon unless it contradicts the higher canon. In the EU, which is canon, Force Sensitives can create black holes and move planets, and thats just for starters.
Even still, you can't accuratly reflect how fast a Jedi can move on camera. You could, but either Lucas thought it would ruin the pacing or just didn't care to explain it.
Anyone can depict superspeed movements. Its piss easy.
The Matrix. Spiderman. etc
Thats just EU rubbish again.
They were slow enough to have non-jedi whup on em.
And loads werent fast enough to escape being killed.
You'd have to show me Youtube footage of George Lucas saying in an official interview that he regretted not being able to portray the Jedi moving at super speeds once in all six films, despite deperately wanting to, before believing that..
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