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That seems kind of contradictory. If they studied him for like 100 years and only gained technological advances it seems like they either don't have the ability to examine him well enough or just didn't recognize how he was living.
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I had these as a kid. Got the ravage reissue with my reissue Soundwave....so yeah I would love to get a Rumble again.
(But then I'd have to get Frenzy, a replacement Buzzsaw and Ratbat too.)
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Yeah, but it was just... strange. It was like a panther with machine guns attached. Fully animated, Ravage gave me a "sharks with friggin' laser beams attached to their head" vibe.
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my explanation for this monumental 'script-****up' with lack of corroboration between the two films is that (similarly to a few peoples presumptions) the government sector holding Megatron's body didn't have the technological advances needed to examine the materials Megatron was made of...
...it's also highly likely that Cybertronians are made out of a metal/biological compound that doesn't contain any elements from our periodic table, therefore making it even harder to examine
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I don't know about not having any elements from our periodic table. I think we've systematically labeled and defined all the ones that aren't radioactive by the number of components in the atom... *remembers the radiation scanner thing* Oh yeah...
But yeah, he could easily be mistaken for an extremely complex robot. And even though I saw them being grown in pods, I'm not even sure I'd think otherwise. It's such a gray area.
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Its a terrible indictment of the movies that we are forced to have to think shit up ourselves in order to try to sort out the mess that these movies clearly are.
I hate intellectually insulting over-exposition also....but this goes beyond them ommiting expostion, it goes into self contradiction, as well as contradicting 25 years of established TFs history..
Tfs being Matrix (The one with Keanu Reeves) rejects born in a lab is a f***ing terrible idea and just a figurehead for the philosophy of laziness and cashcow product 1st, content later mentality that is f***ing up movies today.
Sure we could pretend that the writers are the Arthur C Clarke and HG Wells of our generation, but I really think its more like that they are idiots who are concerned with childish knob jokes and the box office collectings, rather than their movie being about TFs or even making sense, knowing that their are legions of people who just like the big shiny things and explosions and will pay no matter what garbage is on screen, then go rave about it.
No box office film I have ever seen has less regard for what the subject matter of the title of the movie is. (Other than Pearl Harbour maybe..)
They should have called it "Autobots vs Second rate rejects from The Matrix, T3, Bionacle and the Phantom Menace".
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Or maybe it's not a case of us having to think things up ourselves, but rather the filmmakers allowing knowledgeable fans to fill in the gaps themselves, while also teasing newcomers with bits of knowledge & events to set up future films to come. You think when you sit down to watch the original Star Wars Trilogy - or The Matrix Trilogy - they just explain everything right off from the first film? They don't. They give enough to keep you interested, while working on more revelations to come in the next film, then the next one after that.
Maybe what we see in the Decepticon ship with the birthing chamber, are circumstances they're forced into because the Allspark has been lost for thousands of years (their birthing process doesn't look very successful.) Maybe when the Allspark was on Cybertron the creation process was very different. And maybe - if the current speculation about Unicron by the writers is right - we will see Cybertron in the future and get the full explanation about it being the body of Primus, how he created the Transformers as a defensive force & so on (at least a version done by the filmmakers.)
The point is, we don't know everything now. They're wetting our appetite for more, so criticism of what you think they are doing now for the history of Transformers, is short-sighted.
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Then why did Megatron and Starscream flee? The autobots were smaller but they were obviously enough a threat that Megs and StarS would flee. Also Starscream was missing an arm and Megs was injured.
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So, what's the issue on this then? I don't see a problem with growing a robot. Especially since the concept of Transformers is so far out there to begin with. I mean, transforming planets? That stretches the boundaries out pretty far, far enough for grown robots to fit within its realm of reason.
I mean, maybe I don't put enough faith in Transformer lore to think it can hold its own. I could be wrong on that, but I've never read anything that made me not consider the TF franchise couldn't use some reimagining here and there.
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Sure thats quite a basic thing in trilogy construction, true.. But In SW it got better and better, more intelligent, whereas this just gets bigger, shinier and dumber.
So what is there for the knowledgable fans to latch onto, when they keep telling us contradictory shit that turns all TFsness on its ass every three seconds..? (Often in stupid, crass, dumb ways.)
I like the "allsparkless failed alt method of birthing" idea, but I'd hate for them to imply that they are growing beings, cause thats dumb.
I have had another thought.
What if that was the Pretender generation chamber...?
I could buy that better if it was some sort of bonding chamber for cybernetic side of things.
Or putting you off your appetite, maybe in some cases.
Megatron, it could be the whole "i'm the leader of the Decepticons and my life must be preserved above all else" regardless of The Fallen being there, 'cause lets face it, The Fallen was an afterthought when it comes to Decepticon leadership.
I'll agree that it was poor script writing though...all the way through Megatron says how he's so awesome and the best (after The Fallen - apparently) and then when it comes to the moment the Autobots get the '1up' they flee...not right...just not right
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