you kind of missed my point. i'm seriously not looking at these films as transformers. lets be honest, the story isnt there, the look isnt there, so why would i actually think of it as the originals? to do so would be foolish.
after the first film whats the point of mocking how the robots look when we already know they wont look anything like the original? just causes us, the fans more grief.
imagine if they'd have copied everything exactly and it didnt work? we'd be left thinking transformers just isnt that good at all. at least we still have the memories that transformers WAS incredible.
as for teh colours and such, i think mostly they could have done soooo much better. starscream was fine, blackout was fine, they looked realistic and blended in well with the real world. also, vehicles dont look the same in way of design or colours as they did back in the80's.
How about instead of being a baby, you actually look at the link I posted. That wheely thing you see in the preview isn't devastator. it is only devastator's torso. a treaded vehicle with a backhoe forms his torso and one of its 3 modes is the wheel
Most people I have talked to have begun to enjoy the movies in the sense that I've always seen the movies as something just inspired by G1. It never poses a threat to become better than G1, nor boasts that it is better than G1, even though.... Fat chance, heh. I enjoyed the first film, since I saw it as an action film slightly inspired and modeled after G1.
well thats my point that i was getting across. dont view it as G1 proper transformers or nothing will satisfy. look at it as an action film inspired by transformers and its alrite. just dont expect what we all want, it will never happen!
Well if the fans are greived by it, they can always not go on messages boards where these perfectly understandable reactions to such cinematic guff will be posted, I guess.
Missed your point...? You seem to have missed mine.
Im getting a bit fed up with being pidgeon holed into the "Oh he just doesnt like non G1" label.
The film sucked in so many ways more than just that.
The film was no Empire Strikes back. In fact it was more like a Phantom Menace. Shit script. Shit (human) characters, Shit TF characterisation (which, granted, from what I hear may be improved with number two.), just the braindead intelligence insulting "just look at the pretty shiny thiinnnnnnnnngssssss...there ya goooooo.... shinnnnnnnnyyyyyy...!" sorta vibe about it from start to finish.
It was a mishmash of ID4, Christine (only a car that instead of killing you, R Kellys oil all on you) and blah blah generic action movies only occasionally pretending not to be a military recruitement drive and GMC commerical.
So that being the rest of my argument, what made BayTFs such a great movie in your opinion, that it instantly transcends criticism....?
As for the colours issue...
Red is still avaliable on Trucks...right..?
You can get trucks without flames on them....?
The argument that they would have to stick exactly to G1 designs for them to be both 'transformery looking' and cool in my book was rendered utterly wrong when they did the alternators range.
Since then that argument is bullshit, so is the Bay apologist's justifications that he had to make them look like robotic bionacle f**ktards "because times had moved on".
Had he handled the designs like that: Basically get the alternators look in there, and attempted to portray great characters in the same lights that made them great originally, then I could respect that.
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I can agree with Megatron. He was probably my least favorite of all the Transformers in the movie, aesthetically, although I do wish my forearms turned into a big energy rifle.
Everyone else blended in pretty well. When I first saw the flames I didn't like them too much either but when I saw mechanically how Optimus was designed, my favorite of all of them, I thought it was a clever way of getting his general color scheme in without making his vehicle mode look out of place, and I don't even remember seeing the yellow part when he's in robot mode. I'm not a fan of flames on vehicles but I wouldn't question it if I saw it.
Ratchet was a yellow emergency vehicle. Makes sense to me. I've seen a few around town. No hummers but my city isn't that big so I doubt we'd need a whole lot of emergency vehicles to begin with.
Meanwhile I've never seen bright green construction equipment on a construction site.
Maybe I'm not hardcore enough of a Transformers fan but I really liked the balance they struck between the original designs and making them look "realistic". I know some of them strayed pretty far, like Starscream and Bumblebee, but Starscream's design grew on me I ended up liking Bumblebee's reinvention.
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Bumblebee's, to be fair was a cool design that was a definite step in the right direction. But a big muscle car and the bigger robot mode size associated with it, would have better suited say Sideswipe or Sunstreaker, or Jazz.
But it was probably a case of: "Well since the character itself was nothing like the character we know, why bother having a physical resemblance either, huh..?" Pity they still use the name.
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Personally, I really liked the design of all the Transformers except for Frenzy. Granted, I could of done without the orange flames on Optimus, but they weren't that big of an issue for me to get mad at. Infact, Optimus was my favorite design of all the Transformers.
The only issues I had with the movie were:
Anthony Anderson- I just don't like him, he screams to much, and his idea of comedy isn't my cup of tea.
Frenzy- Became irritating after a while
Megan Fox- Yes, very hot, but wasn't particularly good.
first of all, where did i actually state iwas a good film? i've already said, and you've acknowledged and agreed that my view was very much oakin to a rollercoaster. anytime the effects kicked in, it was amazing. any other time, it was'nt that good, and in some places it was just damn horrible. i would happily be pigeon holed into being someone who only likes G1 because thats the best era. for me transformers is robots in diusguise. what kind of disguise was blur, kup and hotrod when they came in? they were unrealistic, and simply a marketing ploy.
and as much as i love the 80's film, it would be diluded to me to think it was much more than a huge advert. most of the G1 transformers died, and a wealth of new characters were brought in. why? to sell the new toy lines they produced. that was, pretty much the whole point of the film. thus said its also the biggest nostalgia trip to me, i remember my father taking me to see it, and losing one of my transformers in the cinema. as a fan of transformers, we've never had that good of media to enjoy from.
look back at the cartoons of the original series, there is so much wrong with those its unbelievable, but i still love it and i think its mainly down to nostalgia. what michael bay HAS done, is generate more interest with him making the film based on the transformers legacy. with more interest, comes more material and more chances of things which clicks my nostalgia alarm.
i've never had what i wanted from cartoons or films about the transformers universe, and will probably always continue. i am just praying that the transformers themselves will get much more screentime, and have more character. with the amount of new robots coming in, i cant see it happening though.
Firtstly, you implied it by attacking the criticism it rightly gets, as unjust.
Kup, Hotrod and Blurr were still in their cybertronian modes.
(You know....back in the day where cybertronian modes looked like cybertonian modes, rather than bionicle modes.)
Whether or not the 80s stuff did some advertising....at least it advertised Transformers, putting the focus on the Cybertronians, rather than the US military and GMC.
True to form, Michael Bay misses the point like he did with Pearl Harbour.
*Cue Team America ballard "Pearl Harbour sucks"*
Yeah the cartoons were.....cartoons, really. Did you not read the comics (with the UK run included..?) That was where the better stuff was. Well Bay clearly didn't. He appears to have seen the cartoon, once or twice, missed the point utterly and proceeded to make a big shiny movie for the truly braindead.
You may get a few more of the things you want in ROTF, maybe.
the comics were pretty decent, but for me, the actual universe of the transformers has never been truly developed to the scope it deserves. i was hoping a hollywood film would get this going, but clearly hasnt.
yeah, piuty cybertron mode was, to be blunt, crap. the toys got cheaper, more plastic came in which meant cheaper to make and more moolah for the company.
and as for attacking criticism, most of it i agree with, but why on earth compare it to empire strikes back? its a totally different thing! its michael bay ffs, did you really expect it to live upto the hype of a series such as star wars? criticising a michael bay film for its script and direction of acting is like criticising a porn film for its story and lighting. what he DOES do is action sequances. all i was hoping the film would deliver was special effects and well put together action. as soon as bay was mentioned i knew i still wouldnt get anything near what i would personally want for a transformers film. but it seems you hyped it up for yourself too much and was sorely disappointed, and i do feel for you, but never expect anything to be amazing until you've seen it. free lesson in life for you
Nope. No hyping up was required. You fail to give due credit for the open mindedness that I usually give a movie....I dreaded it, yet give it every chance. And watched repeatedly just in case I was missing something.
I detest Bay's work, an yeah it greives me to see him given anything to do with TFs at all, based on his 1st movie. So with respect, you are way, way off on the hype angle as I read the script also and realised how ****ed it would be anyhow, combined with Bay's involvement, way before release...
Good analogy with the porn film, they should never have given it to a porn director, when they should have had someone who does stuff with cerebral content to direct.
You dont like my ESB example...?
How about LOTR...? Or Blade Runner...?
Not accurate entirely to the original novels, yet great movies.
And Tfs (If you take away the names and flashy graphics) cannot claim to be a good film. And whether you stated it was a good film or not I have a right to remark on its shitness, when comments diametrically opposed to that position are made.
The "Its still a good movie anyway, youre a g1 fanboy" is the first thing that usually is put out to discredit any complaints made about the movie and its just wrong as a statement.
Whether or not it is fashionable to bash it or not, my right to state stuff isn't actually controlled by you...yet you jumped in an attacked me for it. Again, with respect, thats a free lesson for you in life maybe, also.
Yeah Bay does action scenes, and in TFs they were done poorly.
Everything was up way too close, and the flow was way too hard to follow, and in places it was way too hard to see who was who..
In ESB the reason the action worked in the asteroid chase is that the camera didnt just zoom in on the asteroid with a quick blurry shot of something whizzing from left to right on camera left to represent the Falcon.
It was like Bay had never heard of wide shots before. Awful. Awful. Awful.
Hope you understand now.
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i actually liked the way the action was taking you in close, in the cinema especially i have never felt so dwarfed by watching something on screen. i agree with what you say about ESB but when filming a space scene you dont want many close ups, you want the object on the screen to be surrounded by space and the said asteroids to give a sense of scale to what you're follwing, whereas in the action sequences in TF they wanted to show just how big the robots were. as for the blurring it conveys speed, showing that despite their size they can move with agility and deftness.
i dont think you can really compare with those examples, they're all different styles in my opinion. maybe with transformers they'll be the opposite of star wars and get better instead of getting worse. a new hope was good, esp was amazing, but jedi just wasnt that good. what is essentially a gang of teddy bears beating up on the empires elite? what a ridiculous idea for a film.
fair enough with the hype, i know a lot of people who overhyped it, luckily i, and it seems yourself werent one of them. a lot of my friends have been hyping up watchmen to me, but i refuse to think it'll be good or bad til i see it myself.
again, about being a G1 fanboy i think i said i'll happily admit that i am, simply because i was there at the time and i dont think kids ever had toys that were that good. they were completely different, well designed and just had an awesome backstory. no other toy came close for me. no other toy has made me want to go back and recollect some of the toys i had.
LOL I agree with the Teddies annoyance of ROTJ.
Best to look at it as was: They were cannon fodder that allowed the Stormtroopers to be distracted fighting, while Han and the posse took care of the real business at hand - the shield generator....still....those furry little bastards....
The closeup style could have been great if used occasionally.
And I understand what Bay was trying to do, for real.
But that 1st tear up between Bumblebee and whassisface-copcar-decep?
Utter clusterfarkerery of the highest order.... and it was overused in the other fights too.
Hype has destroyed many a good movie's first watch.
Its good to always be vigilant against it...
As for your last statement, that was like you read my mind in that instance. Well said.
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Ravage's Bay look takes some getting used too. I like it, for this universe, as it stands out as 'metallic spider' looking as all the Decepticons. Soundwave looks nifty too in my opinion. A triple changer that seems to work.
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Hype has destroyed many a good movie's first watch.
