And using the same example... either you're right, or the rest of the world is colour blind.
You have to admit though, you aren't being very honest when you don't even admit theres a factor of interpretation. It's no where near the same as saying Superman's costume has blue in it.
Uhm if it takes place where he fought Smith Neo wins...since it would be in the matrix and superman doesn't have super powers in the matrix. Unless you guys just wanna ignore the stipulated battlefield or suggest that superman somehow has super powers in the matrix?
well yes and no....
Most people in the matrix can't do much more than what we see them do in th movies, and that takes practice. Neo is an anomaly with an above average mind. The machines in effect gave him that power. If superman's mind was plugged into the matrix, it might take him a while to adjust. Where as Neo has been duking it out with agents, and hundreds of Smiths, since the tail end of the first movie.(what that means chronologically in their world idk.)
In conclusion...
(A)neo can basically bend "most" of the matrix to his will.
(B) superman has had no experience in the matrix.
(C) its not superman's "physical" body in the matrix so he technically can be damaged.
therefore i think Neo wins.
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Neo isn't that fast in combat. He fights at normal speed overall considering all his fights. There was a moment in M1 where he pulled a bullet-time bullet dodging feat. After that, he has never shown that type of combat speed again. Also, I think its not something they can constantly do, since the agents only pull that move when its absolutely necessary.
The other thing is Superman doesn't have any good combat speed feats because he hasn't fought any one...
But the main thing that wins this fight is Superman's incredible strength, which he used to lift a subcontinent. I don't know why you said Superman pulls his punches or what that proves, but I don't remember him punching anyone in Returns (probably because they would have to make it R-Rated after that for extreme gore and graphic violence).
One punch from Superman will totally destroy Neo. Neo got hurt by some dude with a sword.
Neo needs to stop bullets. Superman doesn't care about them.
It doesn't matter how long Superman has to practice in the Matrix. Neo is the only one who could achieve that level. If it was just a matter of time Morpheous had been in there for a long time and wasn't near neo's level. Also you don't maintain the same powers you had in the real world, you maintain the same residual self image...aka you look the same. So unless the OP comes back and states that it's just a guy with neo's powers fighting superman in supermans world then Neo wins. If it's a fight in Neo's world Neo wins b/c superman would be just an ordinary person.
I don't know about the newfangled fancy-schmancy rules of the movie versus forum, but it seems silly (to me) that you are taking away Superman's powers when he enters the Matrix. It is like saying 'Luke vs. Spiderman' and then postulating that the Force does not work on Earth. Each character should be given their own set of powers and set against each other like rabid dogs. In such a situation Superman would tear Neo limb from limb, no matter how good he is at dodging bullets.
Actually its not like saying the force doesn't work on earth. Its like saying if i jumped into the ocean i'd suddenly be able to breath. superman isn't superman in the matrix. hes just a computer generated self image that looks like superman. Superman(ME) can't just jump into the matrix (THE OCEAN) and somehow still have his powers(BE ABLE TO BREATHE).
You are missing the point of a versus match. We are comparing the skillsets of two different combatants. We aren't looking for what one character would be able to do if their opponent was a regular human, we are trying to determine the victor at full strength. Any other power level is necessarily pure speculation. In a fight between Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu we don't force one to be a Sith because we don't know what either of their respective powers would be as Sith. You are making a similar mistake here.
The question must not be 'what could Superman do within the Matrix' because that will always be unknown. (Inshala.) The question should be 'are Neo's showings superior to Superman's?'