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PWMT- Round 1 (Shaman X-Man vs. Kid Omega)
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leonheartmm
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the aliens were SIPHONING the essense of the planet's life, nate combined with it and let his POWER FLOW WITHING EVERY ORGANISM ON EARTH.


omega got nothing on nate.

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the aliens were SIPHONING the essense of the planet's life, nate combined with it and let his POWER FLOW WITHING EVERY ORGANISM ON EARTH.


Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with resurrecting someone who's already dead. He simply tainted them with his other-universal power, and it killed him. Heroic death, of absolutely no relevance when compared to Quentin's inability to resurrect Sophie.


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Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with resurrecting someone who's already dead. He simply tainted them with his other-universal power, and it killed him. Heroic death, of absolutely no relevance when compared to Quentin's inability to resurrect Sophie.
I thought that was the Phoenix doing? And didn’t Nate resurrect AoA Gwen Stacy, and Maddie?


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How can you not like Grant's X-men? VASTLY superior to the shit they're spewing these days.



BUUUUUULL SHIIIIIIIT

He divided up his own life force, not even REMOTELY comparable to resurrecting someone.


Poop is Poop....even if its vastly superior Poop wink


I dont like his work... i absolutley loved his run on Animal Man..that was a great read!....but i have never read anything else from him that i liked...especially his recent Batman and final crisis....pure garbage sick


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Poop is Poop....even if its vastly superior Poop wink


I dont like his work... i absolutley loved his run on Animal Man..that was a great read!....but i have never read anything else from him that i liked...especially his recent Batman and final crisis....pure garbage sick


If you didn't like Final Crisis, then there's nothing I can do for you smile

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I thought that was the Phoenix doing? And didn’t Nate resurrect AoA Gwen Stacy, and Maddie?


Phoenix made it possible for Quentin to resurrect Sophie. Without the PF he could only reconstruct her body.


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Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with resurrecting someone who's already dead. He simply tainted them with his other-universal power, and it killed him. Heroic death, of absolutely no relevance when compared to Quentin's inability to resurrect Sophie.


ofcourse it is, he replaced stolen life.

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ofcourse it is, he replaced stolen life.


....what?

We have no idea how much the alien had siphoned off of the earth's population, nor did it seem like anyone outside that small town was affected. Nor did anyone die.


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^the alien race went on different planets, harvested them completely of life, then moved on to new planets, no1 outside the town was AWARE of the siphoning, NOTHING shows that the world outside the town was specifically unaffected and everything the harvested says states otherwise, the on panel description states that nate's power flows in EVERY BEING ON THE PLANET, which wudnt be necessary if they had not already been drained of a great part of their life force. nate stopped him before it cud kill any1

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I believe the Harvester was hot linked to the life force of the entire planet. Later on its confirmed by Beast, that Nate effectively died saving the Earth from the Harvester.

Anyhow the significance of that moment, was dispersing his and the aliens essence (raw energy ATM), onto every cell of every living organism on Earth.


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Quentin invented the "anti gravity floats" that lets Martha fly apparently.

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You too misunderstand the Dark Phoenix and Nate Grey comparison? Both being too strong for Moira's machine to measure doesn't exactly put them on the same level, but Xavier and Emma admitting that Quire is smarter and more intelligent than them DOES mean that he is more intelligent/smarter.

But don't get me wront buddy, I'm not saying he's suddenly "battle smart" though processing thousands of thoughts a second? That's gotta help.


In fact, Quentin thinking faster than regular telepath (proven in the series) is the only thing that helps him in the way of improving TP resistance. Having higher IQ than two gifted humans in terms of average intelligence (neither Ems nor Xavier are Reed Richards-tier in that) doesn't qualify. IQ level and skill level are different, and having higher IQ than a couple of "smart humans" (cause that's how I qualify Ems and Xavier in terms of intelligence) means shit in the battle. If that were so, Reed Richards would have been a peer to Cyclops in tactical prowess. Which definitely isn't fact.

His thought processes are superluminal but he isn't trained to use it in MNesque fashion so all that it gives is higher resistance (harder to aim at). Though there's always TK option... Quentin had TK for what? three issues and didn't do much with it.


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I believe the Harvester was hot linked to the life force of the entire planet. Later on its confirmed by Beast, that Nate effectively died saving the Earth from the Harvester.

Anyhow the significance of that moment, was dispersing his and the aliens essence (raw energy ATM), onto every cell of every living organism on Earth.


What do you think I've been saying here?

Nate tainted every human being on earth with a part of his life force. For some reason, Leo thinks it's even remotely comparable to resurrecting someone. It's a great feat, but it's got nothing to do with bringing back the dead. It's like saying "Joe couldn't even lift a big stone, but Jimmy could shoot a hole through a wall with his lasers"

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His thought processes are superluminal but he isn't trained to use it in MNesque fashion so all that it gives is higher resistance (harder to aim at). Though there's always TK option... Quentin had TK for what? three issues and didn't do much with it.


He froze the entire mansion and reconstructed a decomposed corpse. His appearances were limited.


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Restructurising a corpse (NOT animating it truly) vs bringing TWO actual sentient beings alive (Maddie and AOA Gwen Stasy). Make your bets.
Nate's feats have way better range, to begin with. Though pre-Shaman incarnation can manage to lose...


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^ofcourse, its completely ridiculous to beleive that replacing part of the stolen life force of EVERY being on the planet is obviously not compareably to completely replacing the life force of ONE being on the planet.

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And that wasn't even a replacing of life force (what Quentin did by himself) but making a corpse from sceleton. Basics of molecular-level TK.


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Restructurising a corpse (NOT animating it truly) vs bringing TWO actual sentient beings alive (Maddie and AOA Gwen Stasy). Make your bets.
Nate's feats have way better range, to begin with. Though pre-Shaman incarnation can manage to lose...


I don't recall him reviving them.

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And that wasn't even a replacing of life force (what Quentin did by himself) but making a corpse from sceleton. Basics of molecular-level TK.


He didn't replace anything, he imparted some of his OWN life force into them. He tainted them. And it KILLED HIM.

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^ofcourse, its completely ridiculous to beleive that replacing part of the stolen life force of EVERY being on the planet is obviously not compareably to completely replacing the life force of ONE being on the planet.


It's a far cry from basic telekinesis, you can try long and hard to find someone who's capable of doing that easily.


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@Khris - Nate does have a comparable feat. He resurrected Maddie, and AoA Gween Stacy. Note sure, if this fight would be determined by bringing the dead into battle.

But from what I understand, all Nate has to do is think of a person to pull thier psi essence from the astral plane, and it will take form from the psionic shell.

Vary broken ability, often neglected. But meh.


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@Khris - Nate does have a comparable feat. He resurrected Maddie, and AoA Gween Stacy. Note sure, if this fight would be determined by bringing the dead into battle.


Yes, those are similar feats. Trying to bring someone back and doing it.

The feat from his "battle" with the Harvest however is something completely different.


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In that tier, I say "basic on molecular level". Everyone in that stated tier who has TK can apply it on molecular level.

It's not moving stuff around, but it's a "required for pass" minimum at that tier.


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I believe Nate blasted, Hybrid down to atoms. A significant feat, since Hybrid is a powerful psi that gave the X-Men trouble.


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