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Hmm... roll eyes (sarcastic) yup, Legolas CGI does look kinda unreal. Also with Treebeard picking up Merry. But overall I still think LOTR CGI's are better than Episodes I&II.
Just take a look at Anakin jump off that giant flea thing while impressing Amidala; looks really fake. Or how about the bite Amidala made on the floating fruit; simple scene still looks fake. And the whole battle at the end including the Arena makes me wanna puke. The actors look really detached from the whole surrounding. sick

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The fat thing and the apple didn't work, no (DEFINITELY the apple which should not have passed quality control), but I entirely disagree about the final battle, which I thought integreated very well! And yes, LOTR is also deficient on seperation; the Treebeard bit looked as bad as a half-finished scene from AOTC (seen on the DVD)


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Each movie does seem to have their own CGI flaws. I guess some scenes may just not really translate well to screen even if it were done by any of the special effects company.
I guess it really boils down to deciding which scenes will work better done in CGI or through other means (or not doing some/whole scene at all).

Every director has a large collection of tools to use in their movies these days; knowing when and how to use these tools proves to be the most difficult. wink

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Neither of them can ever match up to the groundbreaking CGI in Final Fantasy.


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Nah, I don't think so, that was good but flawed.


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in final fantasy the people had stone faces...when they showed feelings they had stone faces


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Clothing was very awkward as well.


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the most awkward was that the movie sucked big time!


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yeah, twas bad.


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indeed,indeed and indeed!


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yea absolutely no good
but sw or lotr I dunno both have good and bad things, I still think they are equaly good in the field of CGI


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Neither of them can ever match up to the groundbreaking CGI in Final Fantasy.


I disagree. Just compare Gollums facial expressions with any of the FF characters. It simply doesn't match up.
Square should just stick to what they do best. Making great RPG's.

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True, Gollum's facial expressions were amazing but his overall presence seemed fake. The colours were still evident of CGI.


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Gollum was made.....great ! big grin .better CGI then FF and SW


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well all the people in the forum cant really talk about n e cgi being "crap" as i would like to see them do it better! Happy Dance

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well all the people in the forum cant really talk about n e cgi being "crap" as i would like to see them do it better! Happy Dance
Huh, how is that pertinant? It is possible, and indeed valid, to be able to express an opinion of something without being able to do it yourself.

How many times has someone said a books was crap without being a writer?

How many times has someone sent a meal back in a restaurant without being a chef?

How many film or theatre critics have actually produced or directed a production.

Do I need to continue?


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One of my tutors used to work for an effects company and he says technically, Star Wars is still better than anything and I agree with that.

Every movie with fx has some bad ones in it. I judge it on what blows me away and that's TPM and AOTC by a mile.

AOTC blew me away scene after scene and it's not just the big stuff like the Clone battle or the Arena Creatures. One of the best shots in the movie is when Anakin is on the cliff looking down at the Tusken camp and the only thing that's real in that scenes is Anakin.

ILM mixes live action, computer effects, models and matte paintings better than anybody.


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you have a valid point i only came across this site doing research about cgi just wondered what everyones opinion is of it as a whole does cg i make things better or not if you know what i mean reply roll eyes (sarcastic)

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I don't think CGI makes it better.
An effect is still an effect, it will never be real. But CGI just means you can do things that you couldn't do in the past.

Some CGI is awful but that's not because it's CGI. It's because the people who are using it don't know how.

It's the same with stop-motion. You look at old films and some of it is bad, then you see the good stuff like the Tantaun's in ESB or the Skeletons in Jason and the Argonauts.

CGI isn't any different.


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