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Did JRR Tolkien invent the Orcs?
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FŽanor
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i concur...but if a whip is necessary then by all means whip that answer this way...

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I dont know the NAME of who did it, but orc has been a name in england for evil ancient creatures for a LOOOONG time, way before tolkien.
he just popuarlised it


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I dont know the NAME of who did it, but orc has been a name in england for evil ancient creatures for a LOOOONG time, way before tolkien.
he just popuarlised it


my guess is that during the time of the early, late and dark middle-ages...a lone traveller was accosted by an ugly hooligan and upon seeing said hooligan that he was so traumatized by his ugliness that the first words he said were an exasperation that went something like this:

"erk!!!"

and yet he lived to tell that tale and those listening may have mistaken his feared expression as a name for such a hideous beast...

btw...a little harder with the whip... stick out tongue

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Originally posted by Darth Sauron
I dont know the NAME of who did it, but orc has been a name in england for evil ancient creatures for a LOOOONG time, way before tolkien.
he just popuarlised it


That's the Old English word I talked about, I guess no expression


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Really?


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Originally posted by Darth Sauron
Really?

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(Free translation of some passages of one of Tolkien's letters to Naomi Mitchison ... #144 messed)

As far as I am concerned, the word is originally derived from old english "orc" (="demon"), but only because of its phonetic suitability.
(...)
(something about the orcs being based on the goblins of traditional stories, especially in George MacDonald's works... but he clearly states that orcs are his own invention)


(Elsewhere he says something about the name being used because of its similarity to sindarin orch (derived from PE *‘ROK))

(to be continued tomorrow erm g2g... I actually totally forgot what I wanted to say with this post erm)


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question: is there a difference between orcs and golbins? The q is driving me crazy (kinda)


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In Tolkien works, the only differance I really found was that Orcs are usually used for the Orc-breed that walk abroad, and the Goblin-breed are usually referred to when talking about Orcs in the Mountains.


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In Tolkien works, the only differance I really found was that Orcs are usually used for the Orc-breed that walk abroad, and the Goblin-breed are usually referred to when talking about Orcs in the Mountains.

Yea,
But they're supposed to be the same. People often try to find differences like "goblins are bigger", "orcs are stronger", whatever, but it's just two different names for the same thing...

The usage also depends on the book
In the Hobbit for example Tolkien uses "orcs" twice or so while in the Silmarillion he nearly only says "orcs".


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I know tolkien didn't invent elves they are from Norse mythology. They also had both normal elves and dark elves, though that isn't really relevant it's just something he used. But I don't know about orcs. It really does piss me off though that now in every other book or movie they are the terrifying monsters that the bad guys seem to have thousands of.(Seriously fantasy writers, I know that some of you are reading this, try coming up with a premice that isn't a complete rip-off. mad )

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If I remember rightly, William Blake invented the word 'Orc' in the Book Of Urizen. I believe it was played upon as a positive creature by Blake, as it was free of inhibitions, yet it was still monstrous to look at.


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