No you haven't. You love me and you know it. It will just take time for you to admit it.
So how does that change you being wrong again?
No, he said that they were going to do that INSIDE of the HBTC. The training was to get used to it so well that by the time they got out, being a SS felt natural.
Also, how does this change the fact that you're wrong and still don't see them as NOT being FPSSJ?
I have all the episodes right here with me.
You're lying to be right.
Now, I'll humor you, just so you can make a fool of yourself. Go ahead, post the video where Goku instructs Gohan to do so.
brb after I got done watching ep. 145-270 just to prove myself right or wrong
wait a second, also if you're arguing that he wasn't a full powered super saiyan in movie 8, wouldn't that kinda contradict what you said unless of course there was another training session that I must've miss which I haven't seen so far.
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No need on wasting your time because I've already done it. I just watched the four episodes around their training in the HBTC and out. Never once does Goku tell Gohan to not power down and so he can get used to the form OUTSIDE of the HBTC.
And, I notice you didn't address any of the points...
Sorry, bro. You ain't that smart. I most certainly didn't contradict myself. It is most certainly you being confused about something again.
what about his "secret training" outside of the HBTC? what did that really do corresponding to the FPSSJ since they say he is at that level when he gets out? You never really do see them power down apparently they sleep as ssj also except in broly's movie I guess.
I demand a full breakdown on the entire training from HBTC all the way to when they get at the cell games.
There is no "secret taining" outside the HBTC, though.
And there's a reason that they remain in SSJ mode, even while sleeping. They trained in the HBTC to make that state natural feeling to them so their powering up would be that much stronger. Vegeta explains that for everyone right after Goku flexes his Ki for Korrin.
And, it's plain and simple. Goku and Gohan were not FPSSJs in Movie 8. The writers took their equivalent out of the HBTC shortly after Gohan achieved SSJ, but before they achieved the FPSSJ state. Rather simple.
I have been reading the first few pages of this thread examining all the comments on this topic, since i like both characters (Brolly more so).
At first i didn't catch it but there's a lot of symbolism to Brolly's "defeat" at the end of Movie #8.
At first glance his defeat simply stunk of PIS as there was no logical method to conclude their battle given the ineffectiveness of the Z Team to even slow him down let alone actually stop him.
However upon watching Movie #8 another time I NOTICED that before Freiza destroyed the Planet, King Vegeta personally PLUNGED A DAGGER ABOUT 5" INTO INFANT BROLLY's GUT before throwing him in the garbage w/ his father. Yet he survived!
Fast Forward:
Now you have Brolly being punched IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION he was gutted in as an infant. Yet he survived!
(I guess some wounds don't heal. Hell Goku went his entire adult life without a tail despite eating A LOT of Senzu beans, it didn't grow back. Go Figure )
It's kinda silly when you think about it, Brolly being beat by a punch in the gut considering he's able to tank planets being destroyed. By a guy(Goku) whose main attack is in the form of energy. (he didn't present the Dragon Fist attack until later)
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