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Respect the Tooth...... THE SABRETOOTH! ooooooooohhhh Scarrry! (Revamped)
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Vicious, ferocious, primal, terrifying, dispicable and disgusting. All these things are key aspects when one thinks about the character of one Victor Creed. A warrior, government spook, murderer, rapist, a soldier, conspirator, victim, an animal and a mutant; Creed is a man, or a creature who has experienced every walk of life from every corner and then some. In the late 1970’s Chris Claremont and John Byrne were trying to set up the character of Wolverine to it’s final conclusions, along the lines they knew that every hero is defined by his/her villain and so in the 14th issue of Iron Fist, Sabretooth was born. Originally, Sabretooth had been created with the idea in mind of being Wolverine’s father. Constant abuse from father to son would come to be the reason behind Wolverine’s rage issues, and a severe incident that would leave Logan crippled would reveal his healing factor healed everything but his bones, thusly Wolverine would need an Adamantium skeleton in its place; Sabretooth was supposed to have killed Mariko resulting in a final confrontation between the two ending in Sabretooth’s demise, but alas this was never come to pass. Instead, it is well over three decades later and Sabretooth’s early years and the full extent of his origin stories are STILL a mystery to us.
Yet what we do know about Sabretooth is utterly fascinating. Like Wolverine, Sabretooth is a mutant born in a Victorian era with animalistic attributes and a healing factor capable of feats beyond a point of miraculous. Yet for all their similarities Sabretooth and Wolverine have yet to be proven related by blood, and for everything Wolverine is, Sabretooth is just the opposite. Where Wolverine has honed his abilities and fighting prowess, Sabretooth coattails off of his powers and natural talents. While Wolverine strives to suppress the animal inside of him, Sabretooth does nothing but embrace it. While Wolverine has put a claim to being the conscience of the X-Men, and has a moral core to his character, Creed runs almost entirely on instinct alone and finds amusement in the pain and suffering of others. Wolverine’s a person who has grown accustomed to proving himself against the world for being a runt of a man and typically only fights much more threatening opponents when backed into a corner or for some agenda greater than himself, but Sabretooth has lived a life of physical superiority over almost anyone and goes looking for more threatening opponents just to prove something to himself, because he can accept no equal.
Sabretooth is not just a man; He’s a throwback to another time and place, he’s more akin to a force of nature than a person and his journey has been one of the most interesting paths walked by any villain in comics. For one who has served on so many X teams and been the headliner of his own mini series’ on multiple occasions, it’s amazing that no writer has ever felt compelled to attempt to redeem him, he IS irredeemable because he is what he is, nothing more or less and he’s comfortable with that to no end. Alternatively, we get a taste of what he would be like as such through the Sabretooth of the AOA timeline and he was such a successful character, they brought him back for the entire last two runs of Exiles books.
Now, this is an exploration of Sabretooth through time for the most part. Unlike the Wolverine Respect Thread, this will not be divided into sections of ability and levels of feats. Instead, it will be divided by chapters of Sabretooth’s life because unfortunately, Sabretooth’s had so many levels and incarnations of himself it’s hard to make anything more organized that doesn’t end up looking awful by comparison. So we will venture through each chapter of Creed’s eras using short descriptions to help illustrate what types of feats are involved in each set or pic. These era’s will be divided accordingly:
Original Tooth, Classic Tooth, Graydon Tooth, Horseman Tooth, Weapon X Tooth, and Current Tooth…. There WILL be feats posted from AOA Sabretooth as well. It is usual fair on KMC to automatically discard alternate timeline characters from their 616 counterparts because they’re not the same characters and may have had power shifts along the way. However upon reading all I could have OF AOA Sabretooth I simply can not find any discernable difference between AOA Creed and his 616 counterpart. They have the same types of strength feats, same types of healing feats, the same types of fighting feats, the AOA timeline deviated from a 616 one.. and if either of these two characters have done more impressive things it’s been 616 Creed anyway. Furthermore, I’ve felt less inclined to ignore the lack of physical difference after 616 Psylocke was dropped into the Exiles’ adventures. She could not tell the difference between AOA Creed and the one she fought back on Earth, and Exiles has made it explicitly clear that many different timeline characters are on the same power level, some are carbon copies of their counterparts.
I don’t know if what Creed represents is worth this type of tribute, I wouldn’t say he should be idolized either. But, what this character has done in the Marvel world is impressive across the board. He’s an incredible villain with a great design, uber powers and an awesome list of arch enemies. And, if I’ve done my job, at the end of this little journey you may find you at the very least….. RESPECT SABRETOOTH.
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ORIGINAL SABRETOOTH ERA: This era is before Sabretooth had any known superhuman powers beyond enhanced senses though he had shown hints of what might be superhuman attributes, the era ranges from his first fight with Iron Fist to his first encounters with the X-men, it gets confusing because later stories that went back into Sabretooth’s past have him pulling off feats he shouldn’t have even been capable of in the classic era or even arguably after his Graydon Creed upgrades, but oh well.
The first thing we should be introduced to Sabretooth with: Victor Creed spent his entire childhood locked in a seller. It was always supposed that he was put there because of his mutations, his claws and his teeth which his father made a point to continuously remove. Now we know that he had a brother and killed him over a piece of cake, to which he was then put into the basement. In terms of a Creed feat:
SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH: we see his first bit of super strength when he rends a bolted chain from a brick wall as a child. This strength is also supported by Birdy who sees Creed as a child destroying metal restraints as well. He also displays his first major wound to heal when he heals a severed hand afterwards though I seem to have misplaced the scan.
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HEALING FACTOR:
Sabretooth heals his hand back on in his first encounter with Wolverine.
(Note) This is probably the most prevalent example of just how badly Jeph Loeb can simply F up entire comic book continuities due to the complete disregard and lack of care to established characters and histories. Its garbage like this that makes me wonder just how in the hell he even has a job in comics. His work is more suited for alternate timelines than mainstream stories. When it comes to this particular crap nugget from Wolverine’s past, it completely discredits the entire significance behind Claremonts version of their first encounter and pisses all over why it was significant. The whole point behind their first encounter was that Logan was a man with no fears, no doubt and no limits. That he was never a beaten man… until he met Creed. It was the entire catalyst for Sarbretooth’s superiority complex with Wolverine, and Wolverine’s concession to it. Instead Loeb provides us with a Wolverine who is easily pushed around by the Hand, and an encounter where he makes short work of Sabretooth using a sword. But all this after Sabretooth pulls off a feat that’s almost Deapoolesque in scope? Which was another FUBR on his part, as the revelation that Sabretooth’s healing factor was faster than Wolverine’s was shocking to Logan well into his bone claw days… You think he would have noticed something like Creed re-attaching limbs.
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
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SABRETOOTH VS. IRON FIST (FIRST APPEARANCE)
In Sabretooth’s first appearance, he made it to the books as an Iron Fist enemy. Interesting notes here are that Iron Fist recognizes that Sabretooth fights with no skill at all. We know later that Sabretooth uses his skill but it isn’t until he’s more fleshed out character wise.
INTELLIGENCE: Sabretooth uses his knowledge of the environment to his advantage luring Iron Fist into a trap he’s able to make IF snow blind and take the fight from there.
SPEED: Iron Fist notes how incredibly fast Sabretooth is in combat, showcased when Sabretooth tears Fist’s disguise off at a whim.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: This is quite a low performance for the Sabretooth that we came to know later on, but for his first appearance and lacking any known superhuman attributes to his credit he does manage to draw IF into a bad position and force him to fight defensively, his durability and fighting skill however are fairly pathetic.
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SABRETOOTH VS. MISTY KNIGHT
SPEED: Sabretooth attacks MISTY KNIGHT before she’s even aware of what’s happened.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: Decent display in Sabretooth one shotting Misty quite easily until Colleen Wing interjects.
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SABRETOOTH VS. COLEEN WING:
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: Creeds able to land a one hitter quiter on Wing sending her on the immediate retreat.
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SABRETOOTH VS. IRON FIST
SPEED: Once again Iron Fist is shocked and astounded by Sabretooth’s sheer speed.
INTELLIGENCE: Sabretooth once again seeks to assert an advantage over Rand by capitalizing on his enhanced powers in the environment.
ENHANCED SENSES: Sabretooth claims to be able to fight in the dark using his sense of smell like radar against Iron Fist.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: Again another showing of Sabretooth able to use an environment to his advantage, but again another low showing of his skill, and durability which appear piss poor in this fight.
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SABRETOOTH VS. MISTY KNIGHT
DURABILITY: Sabretooth shows his first impressive feat of durability where he’s able to take being electrocuted and remain in the thick of things.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: Nothing to write home about, but wounded and caught off guard by Misty’s arm he DOES manage to quickly incapacitate her all over again. It is of note how effected Sabretooth is by a broken rib or two though. He’s quite injured and it takes him weeks to recover from the injury as any normal man would.
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
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SABRETOOTH VS. IRON FIST:
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: Sabretooth runs into Rand, and recognizes his scent while wearing civies, Sabretooth actually manages to send Rand flying into a bookcase before making way over to Constrictor, it’s the first legitimate advantage he’s ever secured on Rand.
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SABRETOOTH VS. LUKE CAGE:
SUPERHUMAN DURABILITY?: Sabretooth showcases the first feats of his career that indicate there’s anything special about his durability levels taking multiple blows from Cage to no effect.
SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH OR DECENT FIGHTING ABILITY?: Creed then shows for the first time that he may be a capable fighter or superhumanly strong when he wrestles Cage to his back before being choked unconscious.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: GOOD! In spite of being defeated again, we’re treated to the first glimpse that there could be something more to the Sabretooth character than claws, senses and a weird hairstyle. Though he loses to Luke Cage it’s not because he wasn’t good enough to win it’s because his claws simply couldn’t cut Cage. This implied superhuman stature will become a trend later in Sabretooth’s career and finally confirmed when he does battle with the X-Men.
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CLASSIC SABRETOOTH ERA: This is the era where the Creed that we’ve come to know was finally presented in full form. A revealed history and long term grudge match with the mutant Wolverine, superpowers like super strength, and a healing factor finally added into his career and just a number of massive fights with everyone from the New Mutants to Werewolf by Night. It’s theorized by some that Creed’s powers could simply be explained by tweaking done by Sinister. It’s clear Sinister did experiments on Creed as well as the rest of the Marauders while studying them and cloning them, perhaps he endowed Sabretooth somehow at this point.. Whatever the case may be this is definitely the Creed that most people remember.
MIND GAMES: Wolverine discusses how Sabretooth always makes him lose his cool
RECORD VS. WOLVERINE: Wolverine also comments that Sabretooth always hands his head to him.
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SABRETOOTH VS. WOLVERINE:
MINDGAMES/STALKING: Sabretooth’s easily able to play with Logan’s head hunting him, approaching him at his leisure and remaining unseen or even giving his scent away to the point that Wolverine thinks he’s dealing with a possible telepath.
SUPERHUMAN SPEED: Sabretooth’s able to blow out Wolverine’s match in an open city street and vanish before Wolverine can even turn around then repeats the act talking trash immediately behind Wolverine, same result. Later Wolverine sees Creed out of a window and bolts for the door amazed to find no one there and in shock that anyone could be so fast.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: Tooth toys with Wolverine and rips his throat out to end it. Perhaps not a straight fight, but total superiority in every other aspect is proven here. This is the 4th time on panel that Creed has had the edge on Logan.
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SABRETOOTH VS. ROGUE: January 1987
SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH: Sabretooth slams Rogue into a tree, punches her through a rock and knocks her ass out. It’s the first display of massive superhuman strength in action.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: Creed gets the jump on Rogue, but he does manage to do her in before she could even begin to defend herself and knock out a woman who has invulnerability as a gimmick and was pressing 60 tons in strength at the time.
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PSIONIC DEFENSES: Sabretooth takes psi-bolts to no effect.
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SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH: Sabretooth crushes an iron barbell with his bare hands like nothing.
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SABRETOOTH VS. WOLVERINE:
HEALING FACTOR: Sabretooth gets repeatedly stabbed and eviscerated by Logan. This is the first display of mass amounts of damage soak and healing wounds in-battle.
SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH: With one shot, Sabretooth sends Wolverine hurdling 3 stories into the air, and is able to jump up after him even though Wolverine had just stabbed him in the leg.
SUPERHUMAN SPEED: Both Wolverine and Sabretooth move nearly faster than Psylocke’s mind can grasp, Sabretooth proves his speed advantage to Logan that he’d previously boasted about by drawing 1st blood.
OVERALL PERFORMANCE: One of the greatest Wolverine-Sabretooth throwdowns ever made, PERIOD!
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
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