I have to ask if you know, I mean what are some of Xavier's feats not that I don't know how skill he is but you never, well I never hear from people what he's done in terms of Telepathic skill.
Emma saw them on T.V. when she just got her powers, this was when the X-Men were first revealed to the world so I'd say Emma had them first. Or Jean could have had them first when she saw her friend knocked but she lost them and only got them back after Emma got hers.
But it wouldn't matter, look at Exodus and Selene for example...or forget Exodus he's been asleep for years. Selene is apparently older then mankind and she's weaker then Dani Moonstar.
Emma has done better against Exodus then Jean has if that's any gauge.
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Granted although I'd say he did manage to hold of a team of X-Men twice in MC but the one I had in mind was their second encounter during the Fall of Avalon.
What about current Jean I mean I have to say she's gotten much more powerful since the 90's. How do you think she'd stack up against Exodus I'd say she would probably do much better against Exodus. I mean yes Emma is very, very, skilled but I see Emma and Jean as equals Jean with more Raw power and Emma Finesse. So what I'm saying not to sound too audacious but if Ems can stalemate him so can Jean?
hm, i understand about the blocking off of jean's powers when she was younger, i guess i assumed, chronologically in our universe, as opposed to their floating universe that Jean somehow had more time to utilize her abilities, but until it's explicitly stated, it's something i guess i'll never know =/ as for the dual psionic potential, i always interpreted it as a wider grasp on all abilities psychic in nature allowing for an easier control of its finer nuances, but i guess to each his own lol.
She could beat him by tapping into her Phoenix reserves as in Grant Morrisons New X-Men Jean (Brubaker & Fraction just retconned Jean/Phoenix thing again). From a feats perspective sans Phoenix she'd end up on the same receiving end it's happened twice. Not much time has passed I mean this is just after Illyana's funeral and Colossus hasn't been dead that long comic time.
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Another point to the "Who's more skilled, Jean or Emma?":
Jean has never been able to beat Emma in telepathic combat without tapping into the PF. So these incidents, though proof for Jean's overall superiority, show only that she could win via her greater psionic strength, not her skill. And the showings in skill are still more numerous (and clever) in Emma's case, so ...
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I think that's a fight that'll unfortunately never be finished. All her wins have been with the PF, but then again, her mutation is stated to be the ultimate, and with that mantle comes the immense power. At this point, it would be unfair to have Emma fight Jean as "just Jean, no Phoenix" since the two are one and the same and inseparable. There would be no clear cut way to discern where Jean's "Phoenix powers" begin and end. For all intents and purposes, Jean's very existence as the supreme avatar is a Phoenix power. Plot-wise, it wouldn't make much sense to have Jean be the most powerful and most skilled mutant, let alone telepath. Any feat of psionic strength that Emma performs could always be looked upon as "oh, Jean could've done that" had the aforementioned case been true. Therefore, it's through plot induced perception of these ladies' powers that we come to Jean being the strong one and Emma being the crafty one. And while I love Jean to death *ba da tch*, I actually much prefer watching our resident bad girl wreak havoc the way she does, regardless of who is more skilled.
Did you read Dark Reign the Cabal or RAFOTSE? "The Phoenix was Jean, Jean was not the Phoenix there is a difference". Re-retcon. Don't ask me what that means for Jean, I don't know why marvel keep screwing with it.
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I see Jean and Phoenix as one being. Being one with the PF is part of her mutation. Yet she can act with access to that part of her mutation and she can act without it, it's been done on panel numerous times and it was clearly recognizable when she tapped into her Phoenix-potential and when she did not.
Any omega mutant is at all times an omega mutant, yet he/she is not necessarily tapping into his/her full potential while still showing mutant powers, as you very well know.
Oh my, yet another Phoenix retcon? As if it weren't confusing enough already.
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- Kid Omega as an omega level telepath has definitely more power than the Xaviers and Exodus.
- Exodus considers Xavier his superior and as the most powerful mutant mind.
- Rachel is said to have infinite telepathic strength, is able to host the PF and thus ranks without a doubt at the same power level as her "brothers".
- Cassandra was shown to be just as skillfull as her brother.
- Rachel has no feats to rank her at the same skill level as her mother and certainly none to outrank her "brothers".
- Psylocke as a telepath has always been inferior in skill and power to Jean.
- What feats does Martha have that make you rank her that high in skill?
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Probably more power than Xavier altough the prof is imho holding back a lot.
Exodus underestimates himself a lot.
By Phoenix I refer to both Jean and Rachel. If they can`t acess the FP they would be rank 5.
Or maybe she relied more on power, power that Charles is holding back. I think of her/it more as an instinctual creature hence i did not rate the skill.
Consider rank 4 in my post to be a broad one, Jean is certainly more skilled than Rachel and Psylocke. Not sure about the "brothers", I thought they relied more upon their immense power, however might be wrong.
She appears to be subtly influencing the entire school during the "Xorneto" arc. She was also able to "unplug" Jean from the Phoenix force in an alternate future.
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I concur with the Prof holding back most of the time, but Quire has more raw power nonetheless, hence his rating as an omega - there is no way around that.
Exodus is not exactly the kind of person who appears to lack selfconfidence etc., and he battled Xavier numerous times, so he will most probably know what he's talking about.
Ah, ok.
Might indeed be, yet i don't think so myself, especially not after reading "X-Men: The End".
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