creed would have to be excess class 75 for the elephant feat to be credible i did the math
momentum =mass * velocity
max mass x max speed = desgned to stop charging bull elephant
6800kg (i quite sure it can be more ) x fastest speed of an african elephant 11.1 m/s (25mph) = 75,480 kgm/s
in tons thats 75.48 tons
besides isnt this consisent with hammer saying he was knocking around and 3 shotting class 70's and 50's
tbh those geneartor you showed looks the same size if not bigger than the one sabretooth ripped
also cage overpowered him and almost choked him as far as i can recall
(when did cage become class 25? i thought he was class 3 and then 25 after extra experiments), the rolling around bit , well yh kingpins wrestled spiderman down so it deosnt mean cage and sabretooth on same level or even comparable
i mean king fat human can lift like twice bodyweight spiderman can lift 10 tons
as for the spiderman i think spidey wasnt really putting alot of effort into breaking free , i think sabretooth got off him moments after aswell , so he wasnt really overpowered but rather groped
Ah you're using the absolute top running speeds huh?
I figured on using an average for Elephant charging speed (around 18 mph)
You do realize that the men are pushing both generators on a dolly/trailer right? Look closer, you can see that the generators are hoisted on top of the trailer. It's not the entire thing.
Cage started choking him yes, he didnt' outright overpower him. He was wrestled to the ground and then able to choke Sabretooth when Sabes was in close. All I'm saying is that it doesn't discredit anything about Sabretooth's strength levels.
It was closer to around 5 possibly even 10 given some of his in fight showings.
Not really the same, Kingpin uses a variety of size, and skill to do what he's done to spiderman, remember at this point Sabretooth had no skill to speak of.
If that's what you want to think. I think it's a bit ridiculous to assume that Spiderman was just "letting" Sabretooth slam him belly down into the ground, but that's just me.....
Now as I did have other examples and all of them show some form of superhuman strength well into the 10 ton range and beyond... again, there should be no question to Sabes' strength class.
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wouldnt forge design something that would resist the maximum momentum of a charging elephant
even so 6800kg x 8m/s (18mph)
54400kg m/s hench able to exert over 54 tons
, that is over twice as much as the people on these threads believe him to be
the spiderman being pinned down (i you want to cal i that, spiderman wasn'tstrugglin to get him off , and didnt seem to be trying ) was only for one panel , not enough to decide sabes strength so great he can hold SM helpessly
oh yes to teh OP questons accroding to genral consensus sabretooth is 12.5 stronger (if not more , howevr this fgure of class 25 does seem to ignore his elephant force feild feat ) assuming logan is able to lift 2 tons ,
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hey jinzin i have a reservation about calling logan a 2 tonner,here's my observation ive seen that ultimate cap is a 2 tonner 'offically' and his high end feats...:
holds up a falling enormous tree (i think this was under duress)
flips a tank(i doubt this was under duress , i don't really see his life and death motivation )
...trumps logans high end strength feats (i think these are his best strength feast :throwing dumpster,throws shark,holding elevator)
if look to high end feats to determine a standard strength level shouldn't logan be less than 2 tons compared to ult cap?? i was thinkning 1 ton ?
cause cap being a 2 tonner is not really debatable/inacurate as 2 tons seems perfect ( he is stated by fury as able to press lift a toyota &i doubt fury BS , and he single arm curls ~600lbs ) 2 tons seem right
How does holding up a tree trump wolverines feat? Also Logan has picked a tree up and swung it around like a base ball bat. He also cut and punched a tree big one on to ghost rider.
As for the tank feat I have to see it, but from the feats ive seen Logan ae better then ultimate capts.
Here the problem for one Logan really has never shown to not beable to lift anything under two tons. He really does not have low strength feats due to not being strong enough.
Also ult capt strength feats arnt better and they sure as hell arnt twice as good.
Also that tank feat was ult wolverine I think and it was a hummer I believe.
But it doesent seem right for wolverine? Who in one of his first apeareances broke unbreakable metal with strength, was made to weight tons and the extremely thick floor gave out before him. Man who has lifted 6 men over his head an throw them, who through 1,600 trash dumbster ect.
yh about that,soryy but i've let you down , the tank thing never happened in the comic it was not from the ultimate avenger animated film
it only doesn't seem right cause i haven't seen any "in your face" lifting feats i.e like press lifting , it like a unwritten practice that a strong guy will lift a car in their career , but this doesn;t really dispute logan's strength
1600 trash dumpsters?? or 1600lbs? can you direct me to the made to weigh tons thing , i am proabaly overlooking it in logan respect thread and can't d find it in
sadly breaking restrains/chains doesn't mean much to marvel these day
captain america reborn , sharon carter no super powers breaks red skull's restrains :
I just equate this to the fact that Ultimate Cap is a casual 2 ton lifter, that figure doesn't suggest what he can do under duress or with great effort as Wolverine's figure also does not. It's no wonder Ultimate cap has better feats.
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I would say Wolverine and Cap are equal, there was one scene when Sabretooth is being held prisoner at the X-mansion. Wolverine can't sleep with Creed in the building, so he workouts and is lifting alot, and not even breaking a sweat or getting tired or sore from it cause of the healing factor. Makes you wonder how far he could push himself. This is also the same story Sabretooth broke through the force field. Wolverine #90 I believe.
I'm sure Wolverine was at least equal to Sabes when he was in his retarded animal form but now isn't quite up to that level now.
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