The idea is to get everyone to be covered, so that no one has to worry about dying at 20 of something preventable because they don't have insurance. I agree with you in theory, that if they actively don't want it, why the hell force it on them, but that is just the mindset many people have, and it is not necessarily a bad one either. The fine is basically a way of making the people pay for the expenses that they might have at tax payers expense otherwise, if i understood the idea correctly.
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If I keep my private insurance, I am still paying for the public system. It's not like I can just say no to paying my taxes which pay for the public funded system.
So it's like you're making people pay twice almost with this fine.
I think they are only fining those that don't have public insurance nor private, i.e. the ones that if they do get help from a doctor or emergency room, might get help by the taxpayers without contributing any of their own.
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This outta increase US taxes substantially in the future.
The 45 million uninsured number that is thrown around in the US to justify this measure it silly, not all 45 million are without the ability to insure themselves, a large portion choose to not purchase coverage.
I would like to see something where those with pre-existing conditions though can get some sort of coverage through private health insurance without charging them mortgage type payments for the insurance.
So you're saying that requiring car insurance is unconstitutional?
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I'm sorry, where's the law in the constitution that there mustn't be laws not sppecifically mentioned in the constitution?
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I think it's on the page that Ben Franklin got stuck to his shoe after he wiped his ass with it. Actually it says that those laws not specifically mentioned would be delegated to the federal government and the states. So if you get cancer, you won't have to bail yourself out and the hospital doesn't have to bail you out on the taxpayers dime and so you aren't left high and dry after some redneck totals your car spending your time in court trying to prove that he should very gradually have his paychecks garnished in order to pay for your new rascal scooter and speech therapy lessons.
I gotta say Scribe, based on everything I've seen you write you don't seem to have very much life experience. Like the joy of having to have surgery or being hit by an uninsured driver.
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Yes, that's what I though. Kid Rock, I find myself agreeing with you much more than others here...but this time, I'm going to have to side with Bards. It would be retarded to penalize people with "equivalent" private plans."
Sounds like a good plan. I'd go for that. But, on top of that, I want a cap on the amount of money that can be paid out on malpractice suits and increase the harshness for something proven to be willful negligence (harsher criminal things like prison time, etc.).
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The aim of the plan is to make health insurance affordable to everyone.
The ONLY penalty system is if you COULD have afforded it, didn't get it and then requires hospital treatment. The fine covers your uninsured cost of treatment.
This has nothing to do with a taxation argument whatsoever. It is still people's insusrance that is paying the money for their treatment, not taxes,
You should note, btw, that in most social health systems, the healthcare is still paid out of insurance, except that it is a mandatory national insurance rather than a private option. Still not part of general taxation.
Anyway, this proposal looks like a bit of a hotch-potch mess to me, but it is an improvement on the originak.
Fact is, the US will move to socialised health care eventually. The great inequities caused by a private system are just too shaming to keep when virtually the rest of the civilised world has moved on.
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