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Well according to the Kaiser Foundation there were 46.1 million unisured in the US as of 2005 (not counting old people). So I would guess the elected officials got "45 million" via rounding.
Yes and Kiaser has broken that number down to about 8.5 million out of 45 million (Kaiser has also identified roughly 10 million of the 45 million are illegal aliens.) Actually are the only ones able to receive no coverage due to whatever reason.
So 8.5 million are not getting affordable coverage in the USA that are American, per Kaiser's numbers.
Like I said its a bloated crap number to get your attention at 45 million.
The reality of that number is it's not a good indicator to use for justifying the cost and purpose of "affordable" health care unless we know who really needs affordable healthcare to create a national healthcare system to further increase deficit is bad.
[q]That only 9 million are ineligible might be a better statistic but it doesn't make the other one false or even particularly misleading.[/q]
Dude where do you live, that makes the number that they use to base their new policy on, thats a huge discrepency.
Last edited by Chopsum on Jul 4th, 2009 at 06:42 PM
rather, it is a stat politicians use in a way to convince people to support their policy options.
the figure of 45m is still accurate and is entirely representative of what it is describing. Someone who would jump from that number to "45 million people are ineligible" is where this issue is.
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yet the fact remains, 45 million people is an accurate and valid stat
its use for something it does not describe does not make it less accurate
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It will displace millions of people from their homes, kill hundreds of thousands of others, and radicalize a large portion of the international community against America?
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Actually, you're incorrect here. It really would give them affordable coverage...unless they make some sort of non-citizen stipulation, it's whole point is to cover the vast majority of those 46.1 million and then cover more gaps for others who are insured.
Oh come on...we both know you don't think "boring"...you think "blood-boilingly offensive" and lament the loss of the former glory and torture power of the Holy See.
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No.
No, not everybody.
If we are referring to a single payer system, then it is obvious...no thinking required.
Logical fallacy. You just said above that you couldn't find the goal of the plan. Therefore, you cannot conclude that it is garbage at the moment.
Now let me put things into perspective for you:
I'd rather have NO government involvement into healthcare, above and beyond setting laws. No programs. No assistance programs. Etc. Just laws that are enforced with fines and criminal charges.
There is no logical fallacy, he hasn't posted what it will provide or do just that he wants it and will charge Americans for it based on numbers that are garbage.
Hence basing the plan on numbers that don't make sense the actual non posted plan is trash. No different then Bush in his fear mongering.
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Gender: Male Location: USA, Oklahoma. Pewpy balls.
You cannot claim to know nothing of the plan and then call it garbage. That is just as retarded as being a blind straight ticket republican: the most ignorant and rabid type of person I've met when it comes to politics.
STOP!
Hammer time:
They don't make sense to you, but it would seem that everyone else here understands them just fine.
Again, you can't claim it is trash when you yourself claim that the plan doesn't exist in detail.
I didn't need any perspective. But, obviously, you did.
Incorrect, he is basing his policy on invalid numbers to justify his position, so how can that create a valid program, its as bad as medicare which when Govt once again projected numbers were a little off..........
Everyone you say, thats funny I don't see everyone responding and acknowledging the millions as a valid number to produce solid policy. Well maybe to you it makes sense since you apparently still listen to Mc Hammer.
The plan doesn't have to exist to know its garbage when they use numbers to validate their policy on trash numbers, once again you need to review the Kaiser numbers to better understand what Obama's magic numbers mean.
Oh I know you have a perspective but its skewed based on irrational numbers thrown to you that apparently you like to defend and attempt to justify.
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Erm:
a) you don't actually know the numbers they're using because you don't know the plan, you know the numbers they're using the sell the plan to people
b) it is a logical fallacy to say that inaccurate in puts must lead to an inaccurate conclusion, though of course accurate inputs are much more reliable
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