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You've concluded that they are invalid, but that could very well be the primary target demographic for the plan. In fact, that's all we can conclude if that's what "they" are citing.
Understanding the numbers being used /= "everyone responding and acknowledging the millions as a valid number to produce solid policy."
That is another logical fallacy. "They" call it strawman.
Why would I need to review the numbers when it is you who doesn't understand them? Does that even make sense to you? (Obviously, it does...and that was a rhetorical question.)
Not once has my goal in this conversation been an attempt to defend the numbers. It has always been to correct you and your fallacious interpretations/conclusions. That's it. In fact, I've even expressed a dislike for said plan. Did you read that or are you ignoring for the sake of trolling?
Nope, it's a reality, if you want to retort to my specific responses as opposed to what the value of said official statements mean then yes it is.
I still stand by by my valid point in that this public system is based on public appeal using crap numbers to justify it.
We already have a hybrid system if you don't know that then shame on anyone in particular for allowing a justification of this to occur.
Make insurance carriers nonprofit in the private sector and that is part of the solution. Using numbers that are unjustified occur is bad, hence Obama's use to justify his policy.
Obama has no released plan to provide to the single payer system, so my thoughts are just that, thoughts.
We have a hybrid system currently most states have insurance plans for those with low income (which when we say low income it has alot of room what is low income)
But seriously unless we monitor or restrict what we call "profit" and malpractice insurance to create crap testing practices for Doc's we'll see.
We'll see indeed. I do welcome something to monitor whats happening now but until its in place it's speculation as we both said.
ps did I mention I disagree with how they try to garner support.
(let's hope they provide some value because what they propose is just govt bloat, electronic records have been around for a decade already.)
I do work in insurance so the hole isn't very deep unless you want to tell me your experience.
That isn't to question your validity simply a question as to what you provided in insurance, what did you do?
I helped creat "single payer" health care systems statewide in purchasing pools and small employers (which didn't always get to praticipate) and as an employer I know the costs.
Last edited by Chopsum on Jul 7th, 2009 at 07:34 AM
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Insurance agent for Secure Horizons. Paid like shit, considering all the work I did, which is why I changed over to IT.
The experience had me working very closely with Medicare, medicaid, and coordination of benefits with other medicare replacement insurance programs, as well as commercial insurance from employers.
I would say that working with a medicare replacement plan is actually the most complicated insurance can get. I worked, before that, for Met-Life dental, and I was told that Dental plans can get just as complicated as anything else out there, but I found medicare replacement plans to be the most complex type of insurance out there.
When I quit, my official title was "SME" or "Subject Matter Expert" which is a broad title that basically means "if no one else can figure it out, ask him."
This is kind of in between. I believe America should have either gone for Universal healthcare or not. All this in betweeny bits are not going to end well.
On the other hand - I seriously doubt Obama could have ever in a million years passed a universal healthcare system.
Seriously people, universal healthcare it is not all bad.
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Universal Healthcare is a great thing. We had this for years in Canada and in Quebec. In Quebec tought, we begin to have a "Two Speed Healthcare Systeme". It's a hybrid. We have some, not a lot, but some private clinics now.
I think that a hybrid system would be the best thing for you.
btw, I don't understand what's the problem with the fact that you'll pay more tax. In Canada, and mostly in Quebec, we pay a lot of it, but on the other hand, we have a shitload of public services.
That's society choices.
Or you could stabilize the economy by socializing medicine and making the top 1% pay no less than 50% of their income in taxes and no less than 70% in capital gains. Both economic theory and practice prove that you have depressions, excesses, and eventual collapses and social catastrophes if you don't. The problem is that it's never gonna happen as long as this country that used to be pretty great is subverted into a kleptocratic plutocracy by bankers, monopolistic cartels pretending to be competing industries, and politicians who rely solely on private cash to get reelected and the whims of their corporate masters to make policy.
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That's it. In fact, I've even expressed a dislike for said plan. Did you read that or are you ignoring for the sake of trolling?
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