They're trained in warfare practically from birth on. So they're not going to land with thoughts on an invasion in mind, only to stop for lunch fin the middle of some field, they'd eat beforehand.
Also, when the Roman Legions broke for lunch, they all just didn't drop their weapons and go eat in some open field, they set up defenses and they ate in small groups, taking turns, so if they were attacked, they'd be ready.
Seriously, your ability to try and gimp/twist things so whichever character or group you like best wins in these threads is astounding and it is silly.
im withdrawing from this. ive already without a shadow of a doubt with robs help and a few others that the clones will win the original scenario. im not going to spend the next ten pages arguing with rj who im sure will have all sorts of scenarios cooked up for hogwarts with 2 hour prep.
Well, with two hours prep time, the wizards can do lots, as I said earlier.
Here, I'll say it again.
Voldemort, Dumbledore, Snape, the Death eaters, the OOTP members, and numerous teachers can all mount Firebolt's and lay a perimeter of Portkeys around Hogwarts. With two hours, they have more than enough time to make portkeys as far out as 10 kilometers, even farther.
The Clones will never get firing range of Hogwarts. They will step on/touch the portkeys and be transported to whereever the wizards wish. Me, personally, I'd drop them in a volcano.
So as I said before, Hogwarts is defended before the Clones even get a shot off.
Another possiblilty is for Harry to don his invisibility cloak, allow Bellatrix to get under it with him, and for Bellatrix and Harry to half apparate together over the Clones, casting spells as they go. The Clones will never see them, so they cannot target them. The Clones can be Expelliarmus'd until they are all disarmed.
These are just two ways the wizards pwn the 501st.
Shall I list more?
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Put them on an even playing field and the Clones are done, simple as that.
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What's the effective range of a spell, would you say? What about line of sight/effect? Also, you didn't really say anything about my counters to two of your scenarios, RJ. Care to take a stab at them?
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There are no limitations for a portus spell. It can be used on any object of any size.
As for this:
You honestly think he would have the forest levelled from 10 kilometers out all the way to Hogwarts? Hell, with two hours prep time, the wizards could stretch the portkeys out as far as 30 or 40 kilometers, even more if they so chose. If Annie has his clones levelling the forest from 30 to 40 kilometers out, then they give away their position and are wide open for attack. Wizards on firebolts would rain death from above on them.
Another thing, the GROUND can be made into a portkey. Cant very well destroy every inch of ground for 30 to 40 kilometers, can you? Not with ground troops, you would need ships ot vehicles to even attempt that. So the clones can raze away, best case scenario they destroy MAYBE a few portkeys.
BTW, one does not turn into ash when transported by portkey. One minute they are there, the next they are gone.
There really is no way around this for the clones, but by all means, keep trying.
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Sure it is, Rob, sure it is. The only fail is the clones attacking beings with powers a Jedi can only dream of.
Btw: If a portkey is made from say, a tree, and the clones blast the tree to splinters, the spell is still intact, now spread out over a wider area. Even better for the wizards.
Portkey
Object information
Manufacturer Witch or Wizard using the Portus charm
Made By using Portus on any object
Usage Transports people to a pre-determinated destination
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Dude, instead of trying to constantly gimp and twist the thread until it reaches the outcome you want, why not just accept (ie be objective for once) that a Legion of super-soldiers with highly advanced tech is too much for mostly a bunch of children with wands to defend against, and just go make a (completely non-objective) thread of your own setting the scenario where Hogwarts can stomp. Say 50 clones in their underwear, armed with nothing but sticks against the Dementors.
I never once said that people turn to ash when transported by portkey. I've read every year of HP, so I know what a portkey does. The ash references was to blaster bolts frying up the trees and such.
Okay, so they don't have to raze the whole forest, just clear a path through. How would the ground be 'keyed? There's a massive amove of surface area to cover, and I'm sure Portus has only limited effect on such a wide range.
Do you really think that the troopers wouldn't be on their guard as they made their way through? They could dedicate probably 1/8 of their contingent to razing the forest and ground (which I'm sure could be easily accomplished with a few thermal detonators), while the rest prep for the oncoming assault. If they know they can't get in stealthily, they're not going to be just standing at attention for the wizards to get the drop on them, and there's certainly no way a broom is going to stand up to a blaster bolt.
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With two hours prep time, the wizards will have more than enough time to lay enough portus spells to cover the required area. There's no way in hell the Clones get through without activating the portkeys.
Yeah, I am sure too portus only has a certain range, that's why, with two hours prep time, the wizards can fly over the ground and "Portus Portus Portus" until there is no way through.
As I said, let them raze away, Portus is a magical encantment and will not be destroyed by blasters. If anything, levelling the forest makes it that much harder to cross, for now the Portkeys are that much more spread out.
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And you think it would take more than two hours for the clones to raze the forest?
Can you provide proof that a Portus enchanted object, after being destroyed (as in, shattered with no hope of repair), kept each separate bit of debris enchanted?
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Magic can be countered only by magic. Can you provide proof that a blaster bolt will destroy a portus spell? Also, how are the clones gonna destroy the ground, shatter it to the point of no hope of repair? Aint gonna happen, man.
Lets move on to other scenarios, shall we? The clones aint beating this one.
How about banning portkeys?
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Look at the links I posted a page or so ago. Remember the trophy in the Goblet of Fire?
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There's no point, you'd just continue twisting and crying for changes until it favours your pick. You cried about having Dementors when there wasn't any, you cried about the clone armour being shit, you cried to have prep for only your side etc. etc. etc., there's no reason to believe you'd stop now.
thats the scene im referring too. harry and cedric count to three before they do it, the same way the weaely's counted to three before theres activated.
A) the weasleys portkey had a specific time at which it would depart, so they had to countdown.
B) cedric and harry counted to three because they had agreed to tie for first place. So its only logical that they would synchronize their grabbing. It would have teleported whoever touched it first, because it had no scheduled time of departure.
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