Nah, it's just Dumbledore, now that I think about it Harry'd just be in the way. And Dumbledore would be taking out AT AT's AND the clones, and not just a clone here and there, ALL of them. Death? Not a clone will be killed by Dumbledore. Well, not until they drown to death after the portkeys take them to the middle of the ocean, or under the antarctic ice sheet.
Barrel scrapage? How is it barrel scrapage to say Dumbledore will use powers he is fully capable of using? You just dont have a valid argument for beating the portkeys and you dont like it, so you are lashing out. Its OK, I wouldnt like it either.
Only 500 clones in this battle. thread rules.
Anakin? Voldemort apparates behind Anakin, well out of reach of his lightsaber, and Imperio's him. Crucios him. DEATH SPELLS him.
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I see, you cried until it was changed from the entire 501st legion to only 500, still 500 armed men is more than enough.
It's also likely that spells can't be cast while invisible under the cloak of invisibility. Harry was invisible and had to come out of it to cast the unforgivable curse to chase away the Dementor. See, I did some reading too.
So Dumbledore (who just happens to have Harry's cloak now) is going to be seen after his first spell and those Clone's are going to shot his old ass out of the sky.
Vader's precog is going to give him the edge over Voldermort, he'll get first attack, due to his speed. Force-choke him, force-push his ass into a wall hard enough to knock him out etc. He can also just dodge that death spell and quickly counter, easily too.
So basically you don't have any other argument. Good, then no portus from dumbles.
Except Anakin will be able to sense Dumbledore, even if he's invisible (proof- in ep 2 he senses assassin bugs in another room) and will be able to either direct the clones or take him out personally.
And they can easily burn the trees, OR simply go around them.
Read the opening post again. No mention of the order of the phoenix. If I suddenly started talking about the 501st having Galactus on their side, do I need to have the Tread Starter say he isn't allowed before I stop, cuz I'll do it.
Spells can be cast while under the cloak, man. If Dumbles is flying around at ground level, all he has to do is slip the very tip of his wand out and cast the portus spell. The clones aren't gonna see that.
Occlumency, dude. Voldemort, a master at Occlumency, will conceal his intent until the spell is cast. Anakin will never see it coming.
Face it, the portkey argument is unbeatable. Lets moveon to the NEXT one.
[edit] Age-Line SpellPronunciation:Unknown
Description: Creates a line that is impassable by people below a set age.
Seen/Mentioned: Used by Albus Dumbledore to stop underage students from entering their names into the Goblet of Fire.
Notes: The Age-Line is impassable even by users of age-potions (proven by Fred and George Weasley). Thus, it functions on either calendar or mental age, not physical age.
Look here, at 5:51, see that white line surrounding tthe Goblet of fire?
That is an anti age line. It prevents anyone below a certain age, a set age, set by the caster, in this case, set by Dumbledore. With two hours prep time, Dumbledore can make an age line surrounding Hogwarts that stretches out for miles. He can set the age at say, 40, and no one under the age of 40 would be able to cross it. Or 50, or 60, whatever. The younger wizards inside the castle would be fine, because they are already inside the age line as it is cast, but to anyone outside the age line, it is impassable. Yes, Fred and George did cross the age line, but they took an aging potion enabling them to do so.
So. Anakin and the clones never get close enough to Hogwarts to seize it, much less bombard it.
You see the extent of a wizards power now? You see why I am siding with the wizards, even though every fiber of my being wants to choose Annie and the 501st?
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Anakins sensed the bugs murderous intent, not the bugs themselves.
AT AT's going around trees?
Moot point, they arent even needed.
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An age line is just another spell, it probably took Dumbledore seconds to draw the line around the goblet of fire.
18 hours my ass. It will be cast and the clones would not be able to cross it. Nothing implied that the age line is that complex to Dumbledore. Take a look at some fo the spells he casts in OOTP, an age line is as easy as farting to him.
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If something in Wiki is supported in the films, yet gives further insight. sure. If Wiki were to say "Dumbledore can create black holes" and there is nothing in the movies to support this, then it doesn't count.
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There is no incantation listed for the age line, this implies it is non verbal. Non verbal spells are, well, easier to cast than verbal spells, you know.
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Notice a little down the page- 'This enables them to feel their environment, detect danger and the location of hidden beings or enemies even through barriers, as well as see in complete darkness'
Are.... are you genuinely retarded? I've already told you no AT-AT's. You posted a bloody link for christs sake!
Anyway, the things in the link you posted can go at sixty mph, so yeah, they can go around trees.
Apply logic, sir. This is a "Movie Vs" forum and the "only movie feats count" rule is well known. So Wiki is a supplement, as long as it is also supported by on-screen feats.
Otherwise I'll log into the Wiki section of SW and edit it to say "Clones are completely immune to magic due to their genetic engineering"; by your "logic" now, it will be canon.
You cried until the Clone army was gimped, you cried until Hogwarts was given prep, you really going to try cry about Wiki now? For shame, you thread ruiner.
Nah, I'm done here. I've presented ways for the wizards to pwn the clones, and no hard evidence has been presented to discredit them. This'll go on for pages and pages, more ignorance or ignoring of wizard powers, I have no interest in it anymore. Frankly, it is starting to bore me.
The portkey scenario is unbeatable. Fact.
The age line scenario is unbeatable. Fact.
I could go on and on and on with different ways the wizards to win, but they will be ignored.
Have fun.
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Why Mr-I-twist-shit-to-suit-my-argument-then-drop-it-as-quickly-once-that-same-argument-is-used-against-me, you're looking quite lofty up there on that throne.
Don't let the portal hit your ass on the way out, now.
Im we've argued those points, shown their weak points,
you've ignored and tried to gimp every facet of the 501st and partially failed.
Now you know what its like then, debating against someone who cannot accept facts that dont suit their biased argument, sticking their fingers in the ears and going nyah nyah nyah and sticking their fingers up at the opposing debator.
You see threads as things to be controlled, rather than learned from.
So its natural that you are bored by them, I guess.
The portkey scenario is beatable: fact
The age line scenario is beatable: fact
You doubtlessly would go on and on with ways for the wizards to win, but none of them would be based on anything scientific.
NO! YOU have fun.
Peeeeeace.
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*sigh* the 501st would win this. Just because Umbridge is there doesnt mean she'd even get the chance to call for help from the dementors in the first place before she got owned. I havent seen them pop up in nano seconds from her saying Dementors APPEAR! This is movie shit not book shit. The 501st are military experts with insane weaponry. Even if they dont get their tanks and stuff. Their rocket launchers, flame throwers, rifles, nades, ect ect will be neough to **** hogwartz up. And the fact that Anakin is there just makes it even worse. Im not even saying Skywalker lives, but he kills almost everyone in his way before dying. Last time I checked a plasma grenade or ion grenade will pretty much kill a person even if it is a wizard. The 501st didnt have horrible aim like the storm troopers in the Original epsidoes 3-6. They defeat hogwartz accordingly simple as that.
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